What's the least shitty city or town around the Great Lakes to explore and stay a few weeks?
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What's the least shitty city or town around the Great Lakes to explore and stay a few weeks?
Mackinaw City, Petoskey, Traverse City. Traverse City is full of liberals and has way too many gays. Lots of very rich people too. But there is a lot to do and the nearby rural areas with the wineries are really nice and much less liberal. You'll still encounter gays but you won't get contact AIDS the way you do in Traverse City proper.
One of the worst areas in the United States for too many reasons to list here.
You hit Ohio going west, you might as well just keep driving.
This anon is right, head up to northern Michigan where it's within reason, comfy.
Some of upstate NY is okay, but avoid Buffalo.
Also OP, NEVER travel lakeside in the winter. Never ever EVER do that.
Frick you
t.Rustbeltoid
Kek
Always triggers em
Basically any city on the coast feels far more dangerous than Detroit or Cleveland nowadays. Chicago (not coast), NYC, LA, San Francisco, Seattle, Philly, hell even DC, I could go on. People talk like your are going to be a victim of a crime if you step foot in Detroit and then go walk around Brooklyn or Chicago kek. Detroit downtown is just white people seeing concerts and sports nowadays. I’m not saying they’re not rust belt shitholes. But people take it to a really juvenile extreme and then act triggered if someone who is actually from there and travelled the county try to be realistic about it.
Detroit deported all their problems to the coast cities.
Brooklyn has better crime stats than the national average and that's taking the entire borough as a whole. Many neighborhoods are very safe
In general it's been a Fox News talking point for like 20 years now that all cities are supposedly third world-tier crime ridden shitholes you should never, ever go anywhere near
As long as you don't go intentionally looking for trouble, there's very few American cities where you're in any realistic danger
>Also OP, NEVER travel lakeside in the winter. Never ever EVER do that.
Why? I'm from Michigan and have never heard this.
high risk to get snowed in?
lake effect snow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake-effect_snow
Oh, but... that's cozy & fun
Guess I did grow up here. More to the south though.
I lived in Traverse City for a few years, and I never saw anything especially gay. There was zero gay bars, never saw gay dudes really. It is very liberal, but it's Midwestern white liberal if that means anything to you. There are a couple pedos and a fair amount of hippy scum, but that's what you get anywhere really. It's fine and in Michigan, which is a decent enough state.
Man I was in traverser city 3 years ago and almost EVERY bar and business had a gay or troony flag, the only place I could find without was a greek restaurant so I ate there
This plus charlevoix.
Valparaiso Indiana is a really nice small town/city, Holland Michigan is similar
Maybe Madison or Ann arbor if you like college towns.
For a few weeks exploration you might just want to go to Chicago.
op, im thinking finger lakes are more up your alley
NE, somewhere around Oswego will be really beautiful and you can also explore Oneida lake.It will be mom and pop shops for the most part, but There are colleges and universities in the area so there are definitely things to do and explore.
Nice gatekeeping, I think?
I'll probably get shit for this, but Cleveland. Stay at the Ritz Carlton in Tower City. Use that as your base to go back and forth. It also depends on what lake you're talking about, honestly OP you're not going to miss much just my opinion and I-90 is a crappy, boring drive. Please don't take bad advice and stay in Michigan. That state is a nightmare. I mean, so is Ohio but even Ohio isn't as bad as Michigan, or anywhere near south of Lake Michigan aka the hellscape of the midwest (Gary, Chiraq, Detroit, etc.).
If you've got the bucks, hit up Niagara Falls, cross the border because it looks way better on the Canadian side.
redpill me on why michigan is a shit state
t. michigan native that moved to california for uni and wants to come back
Ludington is reportedly a cool spot. I had a friend who worked there for a bit, but fell out with the bakery owner he was working for and ended up working at a lodge near the Boundary Waters area.
I liked Sodus Point on Lake Ontario, it has an excellent beach, and there is a good weekend scene on hot summer days. But there is not much to the town. Lake Ontario has many excellent lakefront parks.
I haven't visited Lake Erie since 2015, but the Ohio coastline has some cool nature spots. I don't recall any of the towns appealing to me.
The Great Lakes region towns are mostly as boring as the rest of the Midwest, but the lakes themselves are awesome.
Fond-du-Lac - Oshkosh - Appleton - Green Bay. aka Fox Valley.
affordable, lots to do, white, politically pretty moderate with a rightward conservative skew.
Duluth ain't bad.
i went to a house party at someone's near rondeau park - near chatham kent the property had beach access so we had bonfire all night
was pretty comfy but woke up with lots of bug bites
Cheapest gas: Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota
Food:
Buffalo for the beef on weck
Jamestown for the wine
Erie for the hot dogs
Cleveland for the Polish sausage
Toledo for the chili spaghetti
Ann Arbor for the pierogi
Detroit for the pizza
Mackinac for the fudge
Ontario for the maple syrup
Milwaukee for the beer
Green Bay for the cheese
Minnesota for the blond pussy
Hope that helps.
>Minnesota for the blond pussy
Hope you like chubby girls. Or "Rubenesque," as they say..
Minnesota girls are very naturally beautiful but ruin themselves by getting fat and having horrible fashion. Even still I think MN has some of the lowest obesity in the country.
All girls from the midwest that didn't become fatsos moved to the south or coasts. Midwest has some of the ugliest whales in the country. There's nothing cool attractive people could want in the midwest that isn't superior/more available in the rest of the country, so you won't see desirable people hanging around there.
Great Lakes is for college trust fund kids who have no taste, "travel" there is a waste of time and money.
>There's nothing cool attractive people could want in the midwest that isn't superior/more available in the rest of the country, so you won't see desirable people hanging around there.
This is a problem common to all Middle America. Past the age of 22, desirable young poon dries up fast in small towns. Either the women get fat, some other guy knocks her up, or she's moved to the big city. All you get are the fattest, ugliest, dumbest women, in short, the least desirable. Every remaining woman who's at least halfway decent looking develops a princess complex as a result.
Also, none of you reprobates understood my Sopranos reference
>This is a problem common to all Middle America. Past the age of 22, desirable young poon dries up fast in small towns.
This is in stark contrast to a place like Philippines where a similar town that is 1-2 hours from the nearest regional airport actually has some of the hottest, most innocent women in the country
Probaly Gary Indiana, Chicago or Cleveland ohio
Traverse City/Sleeping Bear Dunes. That area is the most underrated place in the US. Beautiful, great food, hiking, kayaking.
>Nobody mentioned Munising
/TR/ is dead.
I have a bunch of towns in mind; however, you said A FEW WEEKS and the only ones that I could think of is perhaps Toronto or Chicago, which even then is way too long.
None. That entire area is full of turbo leftards, homosexuals galore, and stupid talking yankees that have fricked up that state beyond recognition. That is heavy union country and the locals have been molded by that bullshit. 60+ years ago it was the place to be, but thanks to the unions, it is now a dytopian, post-industrial hellscape. Detroit is africa so avoid.
The whole upper peninsula is really cool in the summer if you like super isolated beaches and very rural areas
Being anywhere a few weeks is pretty exhausting, even NYC. I like Cleveland for its museums, parks, food, sports, arts and history. Also it’s a close drive to Niagara, Cedar Point, Put In Bay, Pittsburg etc for day trips. Erie PA has a good beach apparently. Mackinaw Island in Top of Glove MI is a fun experience for a couple days. MI has sand Dunes on the west which is cool. Chicago is cool. Deluth was depressing. Idk about WI I always try to drive through it without falling asleep
hamilton ontario
St joseph, MI.
Cute, small, on the water, kinda conservative but not overly so.