Which country is the single best place in the whole world to live in?
Not travel, but live.
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Which country is the single best place in the whole world to live in? Not travel, but live.
Switzerland.
Really it depends on what you like.
This is a question you should research for yourself.
I've spent 35 years researching it and still haven't found the answer.
Sounds like depression.
It's not exactly great for foreigners. Locals not too fond to hang out with you, women are meh, everything costs an arm and a leg. Nature is beautiful and my salary is high though.
You can't buy land as a foreigner either right? They'll lease it to you for a long time or something? Anyone more knowledgeable know?
>You can't buy land as a foreigner either right?
You only need to get authorization to buy certain types of properties—you can’t easily buy a rental property you never plan to live in yourself (so no permanent Airbnbs or foreign absentee landlords), and you can’t buy property at all if you don’t have a residence permit (and buying property won’t get you a residence permit). There are restrictions on the sale of commercial land, also, but it varies by canton and permission can usually be requested.
But if you’re authorized to live in Switzerland it’s not usually a problem to buy a house to live in or land to build on, it’s just eye-wateringly expensive.
So nobody here is ever establishing a fantasy subsistence farm or doomsday prepper compound, but I know a number of resident foreigners who own homes.
>They'll lease it to you for a long time or something?
You may be thinking of the fact that it’s standard practice in Swiss real estate for people to buy property with mortgages that are almost interest-only, so few property owners ever pay them off in full. But it’s not a lease.
>Anyone more knowledgeable know?
https://www.ch.ch/en/housing/homeownership/buying-property/purchasing-property-in-switzerland-as-a-foreign-na#do-you-need-authorisation
I agree with
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There is a lot that is undeniably really great about Switzerland. It’s pretty, extremely functional, wealthy, clean, and safe. Well-located for quick, cheap trips to other parts of Europe (and beyond, to a lesser extent—there’s no time or cost advantage over North America when traveling to Asia, for example, and the Americas or Caribbean are farther and more expensive to get to). High salaries, and at least in a handful of fields, more than a few good professional opportunities for well-qualified expatriates.
But it’s also small, expensive, and inward-looking. The “biggest cities” aren’t real global centers, just provincial towns with unusually rich populations and higher concentrations of bankers (or UN bureaucrats, if we’re talking about Geneva) than you find in most countries. Particularly among the Swiss German-speaking majority, it’s not a friendly or welcoming place. And across all language groups there’s a lot of stuffiness and rigidity that isn’t always as logical or helpful as people pretend it is. People adhere to a lot of rules and are vehement about ensuring that newcomers adhere as well, even if these rules don’t actually improve quality of life or make society more functional. They’re just doing what’s always been done as a matter of standard operating procedure rather than efficiency. It mostly works, no question. But there’s a lot of complacency and little interest in innovation.
It’s very interesting to me that so many people here (elsewhere too) romanticize the Swiss model as earthly perfection. I always wonder what they’re fantasizing about, and wonder if they’ve actually spent time here. Don’t get me wrong—I enjoy a great quality of life here and am grateful to have received permanent* residency. But I won’t stay forever, and they don’t really want me to.
>*CH revokes “PR” if you leave for 6 months, have to restart a years-long process to return
>It’s very interesting to me that so many people here (elsewhere too) romanticize the Swiss model as earthly perfection. I always wonder what they’re fantasizing about, and wonder if they’ve actually spent time here.
Switzerland and Japan are exactly the same in this aspect, wonderful to visit as a tourist, jading for immigrants aka expats who didn't manage to go further.
It's actually really funny to compare expat communities in the two countries, they're so similar despite being halfway around the world.
>jading for immigrants aka expats who didn't manage to go further.
By “didn’t manage to go further,” you mean didn’t become citizens? I actually know a lot of people who’ve obtained Swiss citizenship; many of them have a lot of the same gripes more temporary expats do. The country doesn’t get bigger or less provincial when you get a pretty red passport.
>It's actually really funny to compare expat communities in the two countries, they're so similar despite being halfway around the world.
I only know a couple of long-term expats in Japan, but I think there are some key differences—Japanophiles are more likely to fetishize Japanese culture before they come; hardly anybody says that his name is Wilhelm Tell-sama and he’s been training on the crossbow since childhood, and looks forward to attending a leading Fachhochschule. People come to Switzerland with a vague civic rather than cultural boner, if not just with CHF signs in their eyes (and really, it’s the latter 999 times out of 1000). And I think that something like integration is closer to feasible in Switzerland than it ever would be in glorious Nihon, even if for nearly all of us it is an unlikely long shot.
>By “didn’t manage to go further,” you mean didn’t become citizens?
More like landed a position in Switzerland and didn't manage to move on to another country or back home after a couple years.
They plan to stay "temporarily" and end up staying for the rest of their working life.
If they don't adapt then they tend to become bitter.
>If they don't adapt then they tend to become bitter.
I guess I don’t see that much real bitterness around. It’s very easy to settle for Switzerland, imperfections notwithstanding, concluding that what’s available here is better than the alternative would be in their countries of origin or another country (and that is nearly always a question of money—we‘ve had the option of moving to other countries in Europe, but it would mean pay cuts of 20-60%; only going back to our country of origin could we realistically expect a small raise). I think the ones who get truly bitter get out.
I think that complaining about some things is just an aspect of expat life everywhere. It’s an aspect of life at home for most people.
I suppose I’m just not that familiar with expat culture in Japan, perhaps the bitterness is deeper or worse there. I do know that early in my career I spent a couple of years in Thailand, where I met a few resident foreigners with a lot of resentment of their hosts; some people really seemed to hate Thailand. I think a lot of the unhappiest of those people were genuinely stuck, without much in the way of money or opportunities to move on, which doesn’t really happen here.
I think people here are mostly pretty relaxed about life’s headaches if they hang around more than a couple of years. My point in posting above wasn’t to suggest that Switzerland sucks, but that people who think it’s the best country on earth don’t usually seem to know what they’re talking about.
I'm an expat in Japan. So far as I've seen, the higher your Japanese proficiency is, the less likely you are to be a bitter gaijin.
I’ve been in Japan for 8 years and I’m quite comfy here.
The people who seemed most disappointed didn’t learn the language and/or expected some sort of special treatment. They either thought Japan would be super racist to people not like their own race/nationality, or they thought women would worship them for their race/nationality. The boring fact is 99% of Japanese people really do not give a shit if you’re foreign and will treat you completely normally. The normalness terrifies a lot of people because it’s their first time not getting special treatment of some sort, and they end up warping it along with their inability to speak Japanese and launch ahead to an instant CEO position in 2 years as racism.
If you speak Japanese and you’re content with basically being invisible and living a fairly average life, Japan is great. If you want to party everyday or feel special and above others in some way, you’re going to leave bitter and angry. I think a lot of people still assume the 70s/80s period where Japan wanted to become like America or France is still true, and they don’t realize the average Japanese person is literally seeing dozens of whites a day in rural small towns and hundreds in cities. Their bubble is popped quickly and they can’t accept being average.
this doesn't change the fact that the expat community in Japan is probably the worst out of any country in the world. 90% of them are bitter failures or depressed disillusioned weebs.
I'm not the guy you replied to, but I lived in Japan for 3 years and honestly one of the hardest things was not being able to find good expat friends. I didn't want to live in a bubble, just have some acquaintances who share a similar cultural mindset.
>I'm not the guy you replied to, but I lived in Japan for 3 years and honestly one of the hardest things was not being able to find good expat friends. I didn't want to live in a bubble, just have some acquaintances who share a similar cultural mindset.
Hong Kong is unironically good for non-beta/dweeb expats. Some total chads wandering Hong Kong
HK seems like a nice place to live if you have a well-paying job. Shame about the political situation
>K seems like a nice place to live if you have a well-paying job
That's the exact kind of filter that keeps the quality decent. It's professionals
Most baller guy I met was an exec for BP with a phd in catalysis from the 80s.
Threw a bunch of parties with filipinas that networked with his wife.
Hong Kong is a fricking shithole
it's not
> HK expat population rapidly declining
> All the escapees shitting up the other good places in Asia now
> "trust me bro it's fricking great"
what even are good places for rich expats from HK to emigrate to?
Singapore is a good alternative, although their property market is fricked hard right now and the rents have doubled.
>Hong Kong is a fricking shithole
I'm interested in discussing. What makes HK a shithole to you?
Real estate prices? That's probably the biggest thing and countered by not being a poorgay. I will admit that HK requires some serious cash to enjoy long term. Average or slightly above average earnings will be coping in HK. It's a high $ place.
City cleanliness?
Local mannerisms and etiquette?
Something else?
What do you like in the world?
> moving across the planet and being able to live with zero support and a language you barely speak makes you a failure
Everyone I know who still lives in the west b***hes to me constantly about how shit life is and how Mr. Shekelberg keeps putting up their rent by 20% each year and their fat missus gained another 10kg
My rent hasn't changed in 4 years
> thriving, moisturised, in my element dot jpg
across the planet and being able to live with zero support and a language you barely speak makes you a failure
no, working for years in a dead-end job that pays $30k a year, making no effort to integrate, having no friends and marrying the first 3/10 gaijin hunter that shows you a bit of attention makes you a failure. and that's the majority of the japan """"expat"""" scene
I would have any problems if I live in a small town as a foreigner? I mean, you described what I expected from Japan, but I thought I would have forced to live in the bigger cities because of discrimination.
I'm white btw
This. i was there in the early 2000's and caught the tail end of being an "exotic gaijin". I'd be out with a black friend of mine and people would stop to take pictures with us. that doesn't happen anymore. when gaijin became gaikokujin, it was all over.
>you will never be gaijin
>YWNBG
Any tips on how to make friends in switzerland as a foreigner, and integrate as much as possible? Currently looking to escape to their, at least temporarily, and make some money working in EMS as I hate where I live rn
Learn the local language of wherever you end up living. Then there's all sorts of clubs and classes you can join to attempt to make friends with Swiss people.
Seconding both local language and clubs. It sounds kind of weird to people from many other places, but very few Swiss adults work on making new friends at work or wherever—they’re most likely to already have a small core of close friends from school, university, or their native village, and little interest in opening up to new people.
But group quasi-social activities organized around sports, hobbies, etc. offer chances to get to know new people and begin to form at least superficial friendships with them. But it takes a very long time. Most Swiss people, particularly from German-speaking cantons, are not outgoing.
You may find, as I have over the years, that it’s easiest to get to know second-or-later-generation immigrants. My closest Swiss friend is a native speaker of the local Swiss German dialect and has never lived in any other country, but his mother and both of his father’s parents were born in Italy. I know a couple of Swiss people of Portuguese descent pretty well, too. They get sort of sidelined by a lot of indigenous Swiss people despite their Swiss citizenship, and really, despite being culturally more Swiss than foreign, so they’re an interesting bridge to local life while being more open in general to friendly expats/immigrants.
If you end up in a German-speaking canton, while you will probably be expected (and will need) to learn Standard German, you will benefit from trying to learn local dialect as well, which is the real language of local life. Swiss Germans speak Standard German only when talking to foreigners, and many would rather not. The only exception would be is if you yourself are German or a native speaker of German, in which case I wouldn’t bother trying to learn Swiss. You will absolutely never master it to the satisfaction of Swiss people, and while most Swiss people find most foreigners trying to speak dialect endearing, it always sounds insulting to them when Germans try it.
I agree with this. Born and raised in Switzerland from an immigrant family from eastern europe (not albanian or serb). Academically and professionally I'm successful but I don't feel happy here because of the negative aspects you mentioned. Like 40-50% of residents here are of non-Swiss origin and to me it's a soulless place where people of the same nationality only hang around each other. Neighbors don't know or greet each other because non of them have anything in common with each other. You have tons of immigrants who barely speak German or any of the other official languages. I can't connect with actual Swiss people either despite growing up here all my life and speaking the language perfectly. Subconsciously, the Swiss see me as a foreign entity and understandably so because I don't look like them. But I have no problem with that whatsoever because I understand that multiculturalism doesn't work. People from a similar background are automatically way more receptive to me and are the only ones I can connect with on a deeper level. I wish it wasn't that way but it just is. I suspect this is the same for every non-Swiss unless you're a highly charismatic person who can connect with all people. The most accurate comparison I'd make is the following: Ugly men exist and don't receive attention from women or any kind of positive reaction. Same with foreigners and the Swiss. They will automatically reject you because their subconscious tells them: "YOU AND I ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE!"
They are correct, of course. Apart from that, it's an awesome country.
>Ugly men
thats me 🙂
100% this.
Multiculturalism is the worst thing that ever happened to Europe/Western world. The societal destruction it caused is much bigger that both WW combined.
EU is a great idea. And we SHOULD all work together. But our living spaces shouldn't be mixed. Everyone should be in their own country, but we should still help each other. We should help Greece to stop being moronic, but at the same time, let them be moronic if they want to. It's fine. As long as they are doing it over there and not over here.
And we should start deporting every African and middle Eastern that does anything illegal. Even for throwing a piece of paper on the floor.
Japanese can come though. They are fine.
Saudi Arabia
Canada.
>people
Pajeets are not people
Tell me how I know you never lived in Canada. Place is a boring expensive shithole. Even if my rent and food was free I still wouldn't live there.
Hilarious joke anon
Absolutely fricking not unless you're a massive innawoods autist who lives near Crown Lands, the Rockies or Cape Breton Island. Even then you are still ruled over by the absolute worst mix of good goy frogs and anglomutts the world has ever seen while continually being invaded by chinks, pajeets and pavement apes imported by the ton. Frick this country. I cannot wait to gtfo next year.
High taxes, everything is expensive, people worship the state and its institutions, governments more heavily interfere and regulate people and your "freedoms", a weak submissive people who lack a spirit of rebellion or resistance. The state is god. Tons of asians / poo's in Canada vs Americas black diversity.
Remember, over the past 3 years Canada enforced nazi style lockdowns where your basic rights to travel were revoked with forced vaccines, hotel concentration camps, forced masks, forced government tracking apps (arrivecan), forced business shutdowns, forced curfews, government even tried to take away peoples EI (unemployment insurance which you are forced to pay in to incase you lose your job) if they were fired for not taking the vax. Forced covid testing, even churches were shut down and state agents going to peoples houses to make sure they "quarantine" for 2 weeks and random calls on your phone. Canada is a shithole.
Take it from me, I got $10k in fines for travelling as a Canadian to Canada and moved to the USA. Atleast in the USA theres still a greater spirit of freedom and resistance and a very heavily armed populace which government would have a very hard time disarming. You'd think if the states tried doing the shit Canada did to its people that people would rebel more, or the state agents would be hesitant to try to enforce such tyranny because they would be afraid they'd get shot at by freedom lovers which rings support to the quote "when the government fears the people, there is liberty"
that's oddly based of canadians.
Well im an ancap and dont believe the government should exist period or involved in anything, especially killing people which could eventually lead to the state using this to kill people it deems "undesirable" or a "net drain" on society, because Canada is quite socialized government controls many things like healthcare so they say who does and doesnt get service.
I have no issues with what people do with their own bodies, including killing themselves, thats anyones right.
You sound like the exact kind of person I don't want in my country. If you think basic pandemic protocol is "Nazi" tier government you're the one who lacks spirit. Spending 2 weeks to quarantine isn't exactly a gas chamber dude. You genuinely come off as weak reading this lmao. When everyone's free to do anything nobody is, hopefully one day you realize that if anyone can do anything nobody can do anything. But I get it, shitting your pants in public like a diseased animal and smearing it on others (covid) must be true bliss for freedom gays like you.
lmfao. The absolute state of Canadacucks. Thank you for reminding me to move out the country the moment I get my degree. No way I'm wasting my life in Frozen Pajeet North Korea.
You described pretty well what would happen in your country nowadays if it had freedom.
Even the idea of a pandemic protocol is a dystopian idea. It’s not even thinkable in a healthy pre-internet society.
MAID yourself.
You sound like the exact kind of person no one should want in their country if they value humanity and humanism.
YOU would be first in line to join WW2 German nazis and get behind whatever madness they are doing. You are a brainwashed sheep, which is exactly what people in charge, horrible horrible psychopaths such as Trudeau, would love for everyone to behave like.
You are a real problem of humanity.
Probably the best post in the thread. Freetards are so pathetic.
Probably the worst post in the thread.
>good morning sirs
This is literally propaganda paid for by the Trudeau regime to get Pajeets to move here and get fricked doing terrible work for peanuts and not being able to afford anything.
Literally India has more opportunities now than Canada.
Frick Canada, if you don't like having any fun and like spending an arm and a leg on everything then it'd be perfect for you.
Inferior and cold Australia
I suffer in Canada.
Depends on how rich you are.
>Climate wise
Anything in Scandinavia, Baltics or north Japan, Canada
>Financially
USA is the biggest pot of money on this planet. People shit on it, but nowhere else is it that easy to make money. People spend far more, wages for professionals are far higher, it's much easier to run a business, taxes are much lower. If you want to make money, there are few better places that won't strangle you with corruption bureaucracy and regulations
>Financially if you already have money
Switzerland, or Monaco if you like the whole Mediterranean beach resort vibe, also virtually any other of the previously listed places
>cooming
Eastern europe, iceland, SEA
>Overall quality of life etc top picks
Switzerland, Taiwan, Estonia, Finland,
You'll notice I'm mostly excluding the less developed world, because those places may be fun to visit, but suck to live in for any prolonged period of time.
>iceland
?
Just their culture, like you'll literally be approached by women and they'll buy you drinks not the other way around. If you're a halfway decent looking man it's hard not to get laid there, and unlike SEA no one will expect you to pay for it.
Good climate, western living standards, nice nature, no crime. Estonia specifically is relatively easy to move to/get a visa even if you don't have an EU passport. Both relatively cheap, clean, developed etc. In general two very developed high trust societies in one of the best biomes on the planet without the issues of western Europe. For tax and business purposes Estonia is great especially, you simply don't have to deal with as much bureaucratic swamp as in much of the rest of Europe.
Is Iceland just full of uggo beta men or something? What gives? What’s the hook?
Iceland is the Saudi Arabia of feminism, so hooking up with "muh strong independent womyn" shouldn't be difficult since they think they are Men.
It's so inbred, it's less hassle to frick a traveler than a local. They don't have to check you in the app to make sure you're not a cousin.
He doesn't like to be boiled alive.
Im a 5'5 manlet visiting the Faroes for 3-4 days this fall
What are my odds of getting laid with a scandinavian cutie?
Slim to none. You will be but a dwarf there.
> Im a 5'5 manlet visiting the Faroes for 3-4 days this fall
>What are my odds of getting laid with a scandinavian cutie?
The faroese aren't exceptionally tall, but they also aren't exceptionally attractive in my experience. If anything it felt like visiting a rural town in America, the population skews a bit older lol
Finland is definitely not relatively cheap, climate is good if you do not mind 5 months of snow
>Finland
>climate is good
Yeah if you don't mind living in darkness half of the year. There's a reason why they are a nation of drunks.
Wow, I should have gone out when I went to Iceland. I did find a girl via Tinder, though.
No, Icelandic men are attractive, made friends with some 6'3 bro vikings; the genetic purity was astounding. To answer your question, Iceland is probably the most openly sexual society in the west, even among other scandi countries. It's dey cultcha going way back unironically.
>most sexually open
Not even top ten mate
>2005
comically outdated, the iPhone didn't even exist yet
>Israel
don't israelites frown upon pre-marital sex?
Israel isn't just israelites though. If you're talking about places like Bnei Barak you'd be absolutely correct though.
how is iceland for cooming?
>Estonia, Finland,
Please explain. Taiwan and Switzerland I understand, but haven't visited Estonia or Finland.
>taiwan
Why? Its just Japan with less infrastructures and better food imo
Fricking hot in summer too
>hot in summer
Everything south of Seoul included is "fricking hot in summer". They all have ACs cranked up to eleven, so it evens out.
>just Japan with less infrastructures
It's a more chill version of Japan, it's also way cheaper in terms of food and rent, and if you're an engineer in certain fields, especially semi-conductors or microwave in general, you just live a good life there because the salaries are as high as germany with double the buying power.
Also, the people there are just ridiculously nice and hospitable and it's not out of self interest since the country is relatively wealthy. The best relationship I ever had was there with a beautiful and smart woman that worked as a project manager at one of the tech firms.
That also rubs off on the expat community. They're a helpful bunch, with very little to no weirdos, just decent people overall.
>Taiwan
LOL
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You must be mememing, I lived there for three fricking years and couldn't wait to get out. I will never get the fricking Taiwan meme on this board.
why was it so bad? the poster you replied to is some weird zhang in disguise, but nevertheless I don't think I've heard anyone shit on taiwan this much
Redpoll me on the US being the best for making cash. I hear this all the time but whenever I’ve tried to start businesses or when I get one off the ground, the government takes 1/3 in taxes, and regulates the frick out of me. If other countries are worse it’s unironically game over.
get a israelite accountant, no seriously. if you aren't getting audited, you aren't trying hard enough.
the U.S. is the best for making cash because they have the most affluent consumer market in the world and there's 300 million of them.
Don’t listen to the glowBlack person memes- they soresd this shit to attract people here. This country is a thirdworld shithole. Most peoppe make zero money.
the US is only financially beneficial in the sense that it has the cheapest and loosest credit in the world and all of world history. easy to get rich if you can use debt effectively
And if you’re locked out of that, then it’s literally brazil.
wise
>Anything in Scandinavia, Baltics or north Japan, Canada
homie you what
quality of life etc top picks
>Estonia
oh i see
bless you, honey
>cooming
>iceland
Really? Why is that?
Lack of genetic diversity. Many Icelanders have unknowingly dated/hooked up with what turned out to be biological relatives. A foreigner is obviously less likely to be related, therefore makes for a more suitable partner.
Bali, Thailand, Hawaii
nothing beats the beautiful beaches, chill island lifestyle, tropical environment
>garbage hot beaches
Everything beats that though.
i wanna just surf all day and frick beach babes but ive never done either how based is hawaii
>i wanna just surf all day and frick beach babes but ive never done either how based is hawaii
I'm just getting into surfing anon.
getting started by doing a season in la union PH with a place a 5min walk to the waves. All things considered it is a pretty affordable spot to start my surfing journey
For your progress in surfing, frequency of access to quality waves will be the #1 factor I've heard. It makes sense, as it will let you get more reps
If I repatriate to USA, I'm considering Hawaii (assuming I continue to enjoy the surfing hobby). Nowhere else in USA like it for surfing
West coast water is cold af.
How old are you?
shit must be nice to be able to wake up and first thing you do is hit the waves while the sun comes up
im 21 hoping for a get rich quick scheme, i want to travel now even though im broke, everyone says 20s are the best time to travel and ill live on the beaches when im older ive had too much cold weather
>, i want to travel now even though im broke, everyone says 20s are the best time to travel
I think it depends.
I would just say go before your looks fade (skin quality, hairline, etc). You have to give your genetics an honest read on that one.
Some black dudes look 30 at age 45 and it's sort of nuts.
I like that I've got enough $ to not have to leave where I am visiting + my education allows me to earn more remotely, but I wish I had a more youthful look. That's pretty much the only thing I'd change outside of austim. I'm 30 and look 30 or 35. Some people might flatter me by saying 27-28, but I don't believe it lol.
>shit must be nice to be able to wake up and first thing you do is hit the waves while the sun comes up
yessir. friends I've met are doing 2x sessions per day. Plus, bus loads of girls coming in from the cities every weekend. Kino
>my education allows me to earn more remotely
computer science?
theres always ways to look younger anon, gonna try volufiline 100% heard good things
Is Hawaii really that great to live in?
Sex cum woman
Gotta be USA. There's incredible variety in climate, politics, scenery, hobbies, etc. You can make good money there if you're competent. Taxes are reasonable
>Gotta be USA. There's incredible variety in climate, politics, scenery, hobbies, etc. You can make good money there if you're competent. Taxes are reasonable
While I get the spirit of where this comment comes from and don't necessarily disagree, I will present the dissenting opinion.
That dissent hinges upon one fact: despite all of this diveristy, you will be choosing ONE physical location to live in. You won't be living long term across all of these.
Is USA a jack of all trades master of none?
For our racists out there, america has Black folk and a lot of em. Our 1 megacity, NYC, is full of nigs. Asian cities will have better urban transportation options, better airports, cheaper taxis, and more.
Taxes: USA taxes are only reasonable compared to total tax shitholes like EU/canada, which I do admit are numerous. In 2 of our more desirable cities/states (NYC/california), you're looking at an instant +10% on your overall income tax rate.
hong kong, singapore, and most of the middle east tax mog the hell out of USA in terms of taxes.
Diversity of hobbies is probably the one true unequivocal win. We've got basically everything...but now that I think about it...how much does an individual care about every hobby being present? You probably have a couple you want to go deep into.
If your hobby is surfing, a lot of international destinations mog the hell out of USA surfing, barring the hawaii scene. Surfing in say....north carolina or florida exists, but it is jack of all trades tier.
Diversity of climate...sorta. We've got 2-3 real tropical options and the nicer ones are some of the most expensive places to live on the planet (hawaii/coastal california).
A ton of USA's landmass is some variant of Ohio's humid continental climate.
Whatever you do end up choosing, it's probably one of the most expensive variants of that setup in the world, although likewise the most developed.
We also house American Baby Boomers, which is a unique downside.
Its hard to say. All countries have their share of problems, some obvious more than others. It just depends on what you can put up with and what you value the most.
>Is USA a jack of all trades master of none?
I think that is a really good way to explain most of our country for things.
If I wasn't living in the US, I would probably seriously look into Japan. I'd always be a foreigner to them, but I'd try my best there. Most my consooming goes towards Japanese products anyways (Yugioh, Godzilla). I'm close to being a Japanophile anyways, although I do think it would be hard to live in the city based on my experience there. Maybe the outskirts of the city or closer to the rural area would be nice.
>Most my consooming goes towards Japanese products anyways (Yugioh, Godzilla). I'm close to being a Japanophile anyways, although I do think it would be hard to live in the city based on my experience there.
Just want to let you know, Japanese people despise those types. It would be pretty difficult.
I dunno. I definitely bonded with some nip bros talking about the anime I watched growing up; Inuyasha, BLEACH, Dragon Ball, Ruroni Kenshin, etc. Some were legit surprised shows like Inuyasha were popular overseas (they know ONE PIECE and stuff is popular, but didn't think older ones were). Sharing favorite childhood shows is a universal.
I am used to being despised/not accepted in the US for those interests anyway kek but at least in Japan I could find people easier with similar interests. There must be a demand due to how many stores sold stuff I liked whenever I went out shopping that was filled with Japanese people (I was one of the few tourists shopping there). I recently bonded with a real cool guy from Japan over giant robot shows and other stuff like that. It just depends on the person like anywhere you go. I am sure I could find cool people like him to talk to about that stuff in any country. It isn't my personality or life, just stuff I am interested in.
>That dissent hinges upon one fact: despite all of this diveristy, you will be choosing ONE physical location to live in. You won't be living long term across all of these.
Yeah but once you decide that you want to live in the US you have a buffet to choose from. Want to frick off to the woods? Mountain west or Alaska. Want cheap farmland? Midwest is full of it. You want sun and hot weather? We have thousands of miles of subtropical coast and a shitload of desert. Want it cold, overcast and damp? We have New England, the PNW and Alaska. Want a taste of the arctic? Upper Midwest. Rich and want a globally relevant city? NYC/LA/Miami/etc.
You guys always talk about how terrible black Americans are. I've literally never had a problem with a black person here and I've lived in two areas with 20% or more black population. Even if you're a massive racist you just move to a less diverse suburb 6 miles away. It's not hard.
>I've literally never had a problem with a black person here and I've lived in two areas with 20% or more black population.
People that say shit like this are unconsciously lying. Just like the morons who live in dangerous cities and say it doesn't effect their area, and then in the next sentence talk about how the drug dealers in the apartment below got shot up. They genuinely believe what they say, they are just Orwell crimestop indoctrinated and cannot see what is actually going on around them.
Sheltered CUMGUZZLING homosexual moron.
>t.lived in working class neighborhoods in the rust belt for almost 20 years
I think I will try to save up and move to SEA in the long term, maybe Latin America as well.
The entire West is a shithole so may as well move to a warm and comfy shithole.
Why is it a shithole?
I don't like Canada. USA/Australia are just alternate Canadas and Europe you make 30k/yr, taxed 50% and live in a pod.
>NEED... MORE.... MONEY.... ABOVE ALL ELSE....
israelitebrained mutt
Oh yeah I forgot. North America is a hyper individualistic low trust society where everyone is out for themselves and hates each other. Same for Europe but even more arrogant and cold. No values on culture, community etc. Just about maintaining your social credits by virtue signaling.
In my experience
>Thailand
>Philippines
>Kenya
>t. live in Thailand but miss PH and Kenya
If you plan for a family: Germany is very chill.
The south is pretty nice.
>With wife and kids the taxes are pretty ok. Plus you get lots of social gibs like 250€/month for each kid.
>Can't easily get fired from your job too, so not constantly being worried about it.
>35h week + 32 paid day offs + public holidays
>Overwork restricted to 10h per day by law
>Free university and school, no need to pay shit for your kids education
>Traveling is cheap (5h by car to italy for example)
>Nature is artificial and meh but you can always find trees and fresh air to walk around
>Infrastructure is ok, not the best but it works usually
>Can drink tap water
>Food is regulated, so not too much poison, genetics, etc included+
>Christmas markets
>Good beer
>Fun car culture (which I like personally). Always can find some smaller car meetups at gas stations on friday night. Fun to make friends.
>People talk very direct and don't lie to you or fake smile
>Tons of summer festivals (medieval, music, pop, metal, art, etc.)
>Lots of history and historic places to visit
>One of the safest places with very low crime rate
>Mild temperature (could be a bit sunnier though)
>Great nightclubs if you are into it
Many complain about the country being flooded with migrants, etc. But honestly you have that anywhere except maybe Japan or poor countries. After all you won't really see them often anyway if you live in country side which I recommend.
I fantasize about buying a house in a German village sometimes but in the end I know I wouldn’t be able to assimilate. I’m in my 30s already and I don’t know German.
Where are you from, what's your background? Most Germans can't afford to buy a house here, it's expensive. But if you land a job with good payment? Maybe it can work. There are jobs that only require English and you can go to a language school at night or so.
America. Pennsylvania. I teach at a university. It’s mostly just a fantasy. One day I might buy a house in Europe, but it’s not likely to be Germany as much as I like to be.
>I fantasize about buying a house in a German village sometimes
we're verging on Honk Konk tier prices m8. You're purchasing a pod at best and ju will be happy.
I know but so is everywhere else. I’m in a semi-rural county here in the states and there are 2 bedroom cottages the size of a small apartment in less than half an acre selling for half a million dollars.
I have lived in 9 countries. Honestly, every place I move to I complain about a lot, and then I miss it as soon as I leave.
It's hard to say where was the best, but if I had to choose I'd probably pick Singapore. It's a fantastic place to live and travel from -- there's not a great deal to do there except for going out for food and drinks, but the travel is so fricking convenient, and they pay a lot so you can easily afford it. The living conditions are also incomparable with almost any other place. The weather is annoying though.
>accidentally fly in with a forgotten, miniscule amount of drugs in some pocket
>get executed
I wish this post was accurate and they actually executed degenerates like you.
Why so bitter, anon?
It's simple. Don't do drugs. Problem solved.
>Oh noes I can't do meth or suck for meth what will I do?!?!
KYS degenerate
> accidentally
sure thing, anon, we believe you
This, from the perspective of mid-30s onwards. Everything just works and you never really worry about personal safety im Singapore. Its boring, but all of Asia is within easy reach.
>he travel is so fricking convenient, and they pay a lot so you can easily afford it. The living conditions are also incomparable with almost any other place. The weather is annoying though.
>This, from the perspective of mid-30s onwards. Everything just works and you never really worry about personal safety im Singapore. Its boring, but all of Asia is within easy reach.
Sounds to me like the best would be to earn money online and live in a nice neighborhood of one of these places "within easy reach"
For example, I earn 230k USD/year online from the region right now. I'm still in the proces of picking my base, but I doubt I'd pick singapore.
I know for in-person income in SEA singa is king tho.
My time living in Hong Kong was similar, as a young man. Good place to earn money to spend somewhere else.
Yes I think the situation changes a lot when you don't have to earn income in person.
I worked in Singapore and even though I was pretty much 100% remote, the immigration laws are quite strict and you can't really just frick off and live in Thailand. If you have online income, you don't care.
>For example, I earn 230k USD/year online from the region right now. I'm still in the proces of picking my base, but I doubt I'd pick singapore.
What do you do that offers online income like that, anon?
>Which country is the single best place in the whole world to live in?
>Not travel, but live.
I'm trying to figure this out as well anon.
The principle to start with is that the best place comes and goes.
The answer clearly used to be southern california; maybe northern, but I was 20-30 years late on being born (born in early 90s).
I'm investigating Asia lately. Lots of countries out here you can get a condo for relatively cheap + the country itself has lots of room to boom.
Filipinos are by and large moronic.
>What do you do that offers online income like that, anon?
Software work for a large, global tech company.
Background in comp sci from a top 10 university + commited to some degree of interview grind and hopping every 2 years.
It's been a long setup. Not the easiest to replicate.
If anyone goes this route, don't waste too much time fricking around with companies that don't already print money.
I'm in a similar position, just making half as much. How did you make this location independent though? I need to retain my work permit for my gig, so I cannot stay out of the country too long, which significantly limits what I can do. Asking to move to another country would affect my salary.
>How did you make this location independent though?
I just up and left. It does help that I'm not on a visa with them or anything.
If my company ends up caring (they haven't for over a year), I'll just find another one. Many many people are doing this.
I can also all back on my $800k net worth to just surf and then teach ESL if need be. That kind of stack ups my confidence a lot.
That's sweet, anon. Wish I could do the same, but I'd lose my permit if I stay abroad for too long. Need to figure out a way to get proper location independent income soon. I'm early thirties and I experienced all these kino moments in Asia, it's soulless here in Europe in comparison.
protip: every place stops being "kino" when you have to live there
I get that, but at least I could interact with people there and get into all sorts of adventures. Might as well be a ghost where I currently live.
fricking hell bro you just won at life, congrats
I was considering doing a similar thing where I leverage my PhD and years as a research engineer to go to an anglo country, save up thanks to the higher wages, acquire the citizenship and frick off to SEA where i'll live the rest of my life as an english teacher. This is a hellish fricking life and i'm just itching to hop off mr bones wild ride while i still can.
either that or save up for a MBA to acquire in my mid thirties and plunge deep into corpo-hell. I'm not sure yet.
The United Kingdom
Honestly probably this, maybe second to Australia. Everyone always brings up paki rape gangs and shit but that's like judging the US based solely on Detroit.
Downside is our wages to cost of living is dogshit though and the property market is fricked.
Weather is ok though despite the reputation, very little in the way of natural disasters unless you decide to live in a blatant flood trap.
NHS while not the fanciest is very useful if you decide to have a heart attack or chop a finger off.
Easy as frick to get around on the road too, just make sure you drive because our public transport is shit tier unless you live in London.
Unironically Singapore, if you have a good income. It just pips Switzerland because of shops dont all shut from Saturday evening onwards in Singapore.
Japan for me.
And since I now live in Japan, so far so good.
Which city anon kun?
Nagoya
Birmingham, England.
Surprised people dont consider Australia. One of the few places i visited and would consider moving if my life/country turned to shit.
t. Im from Portugal
I've been thinking about this for a while but never had enough time for sufficient research.
The conditions would be following:
>reasonable taxes
>not too much bureaucracy
>some form of religious morality still present (no wokism BS)
>relatively safe
>drivable (without a bloody speed cam/bump every mile)
>no fricking mosquitoes
>not too expensive (optional)
Since i'm European i've considered different Mediterranean countries for years, but lately i've also given a thought to some states in the US. Not physically sticking out as a North European would be a bonus.
I still love living in the US and I think it's the best place to live if you:
>live in an affluent suburb/exurb
>make over $200k (over $300k if in NY or CA)
The thing about the US is that the gap between poor and rich quality of life is massive. It's impossible for a European to comprehend this until you see it.
Our cities have gone to complete shit — but wealthy neighborhoods are like bizarro world, where most people are fit and polite, high-end fitness studios, boutiques, art galleries, dog chiropractors, etc.
It's like being in feces-encrusted downtown San Francisco and then going a few miles east to Pleasanton or Walnut Creek; literally different worlds.
Lastly, one other thing nobody talks about is that the US healthcare system is great if you're healthy and rich. Less of your money is highjacked to pay for strangers' healthcare, and you can purchase the highest quality care for yourself and others.
This only applies if you can stomach the cultish worship of whatever stupid shit TPTB have decided you must worship that day. If some fragrant hobo gets murdered nearby you better put on your "I heckin love blaq ppl kill whitey" button or get ostracized.
Totally delusional obviously jaded incel, probably from central europe by the sound of it.
It depends on your job, your age, your marital status and your hobbies.
If you're 18 with no education and no dough, Thailand is going to suck. If you're single a and retired with a big pension check coming every month, you'll be up to your ears in hot poon every day and living like a god.
What do you want?
If you want decent land and to be mostly left alone, plenty of spots in South America. The commie shit that makes these places unbearable is almost entirely concentrated in cities and the violence in the North/Center. Very cheap land and the possibility of cheap labor to help out. I haven't visited but possibly east/east-central europe is the same for this minus labor. I would say america but people trying to bug out has become a political topic so you might have issues, and land is not that cheap when comparing other countries.
To make a lot of money living in a city that is an overgrown shopping mall? Dubai is doing a lot of interesting things and experiencing a huge network effect recently from VC tech types running away from the western establishment. Singapore has nice opportunities as well but I would say slightly lower than Dubai.
If you just want to live as if you're already retired but occasionally find ways to make a nickel online or through weird jobs, SEA. Insanely cheap, lots of visa opportunities including the basic visa run thing, almost zero violence when compared to SA or Africa, and for the most part the basics like electricity, infrastructure, food, and government stabilty are there (when comparing other very cheap countries I mean).
I'm surprised I hear Canada more than Australia. I moved here from the UK 7 years ago and it was the best thing that ever happened to me. People are friendly and the climate is very nice for a western-style country. Also, they speak English. There are downsides but I'd say they don't really come up in everyday life. I guess the pay isn't as good as in America, but it's also much more peaceful. Has some very diverse parts but mostly with Asians.
>Good climate
>Friendly people
>Speak English
>Canada
what.
He was talking about Australia.
Iceland or Taiwan
In a location I personally value safety, public transportation, cleanliness, introverted culture, nice architecture, nature, and a language that is actually worth learning relative to its time investment, attractive healthy people, and good food.
With this criteria in mind my highest tier locations would be Japan, Switzerland, and Austria. If I drop the useful language and good food requirement then the Nordic countries become an option one tier lower. It all depends on what you personally value and then you research from there.
>Japan
>language that is actually worth learning relative to its time investment
Not that guy, but there is absolutely no question about the fact that Japanese proficiency makes a night and day difference when it comes to enjoying and succeeding in life in Japan. Only very useful in one country, maybe. But useful enough in that one country to justify the effort IMO. I feel the same way about Chinese—it’s much less useful internationally than people like to think it is, but it makes China phenomenally easier. English proficiency in China is negligible, even in Beijing, outside of tourist-facing businesses. Japan is slightly better at English than China, but there too you meet more people who can’t get by in it than people who can.
I am of mixed opinions about the global value of German, although you meet a fair number of L2 speakers around some parts of Europe (fewer than L2+ English speakers, but enough that it can be helpful), and every native German speaker I have ever met abroad has seemed eager/relieved to speak German whenever possible. In German-speaking Switzerland it’s mandatory to learn it, and it’s helpful because everything is written in Standard German, but locals never speak it, even at work, unless they’re talking to foreigners, in favor of their native Swiss dialects, which are different enough from Hochdeutsch that Germans struggle to understand them.
I think Switzerland satisfies your cleanliness, safety, and transit requirements exceptionally well (I think we’ve got the best-integrated nationwide public transport network in Europe at least, and we must be in the top 10 globally), and maybe also your introversion criterion, except for the fact that getting into the business of strangers, telling them off for perceived misbehavior, is something of a national pastime, particularly among the middle-aged or older. But if you stay within the lines it’s possible to be largely ignored.
Food isn’t so good, though—it’s more rustic and functional than gourmet, and expensive.
Disagree on Chinese - its quite useful outside of China with the massive overseas Chinese population literally everywhere and the entirely separate Chinese societies they set up in other countries. Also throughout SEA Chinese is easily the 2nd most useful language after English
I know it's trendy to hate on Japan again like we're back in 2013 but they're one of very few countries that still continues to create good books, music, games, and movies in their own language without relying on American media. It's also a necessity if you really want to explore Japan outside of the gimmicky tourist traps.
Switzerland is definitely a country I'll have to visit soon since I'm already in Europe for a few more months, I'll have to see if the food is a deal breaker, but as long as it's better than scandinavian food I probably wont have any complaints.
Music and games? Sure. Books and movies? No.
Japanese oddly opens up a lot of Asia. There are lots of people throughout SE and East Asia who study some Japanese either as part of their high school/university program or just due to the outweighed cultural/former financial impact (although Japan is now less influential than South Korea and roughly at Thai levels).
Lots of women who don't care if you speak English (or can't speak English), but if you're a white guy who speaks Japanese, you're suddenly interesting to them.
>Lots of women who don't care if you speak English (or can't speak English), but if you're a white guy who speaks Japanese, you're suddenly interesting to them.
Does that happen outside of language schools and anime conventions?
t. Japanese speaker
>implying
Havn't been everywhere but I do rate the places I visit for livability and so far #1 is actually Hong Kong.
Sure it's a tad depressing ever since China decided to be China and the locals hate it.
But overall you get a super vibrant and exciting city with elite metro system,
easy dating with locals who are as diverse as they are fun,
almost NYC level for work opportunities if you have an actual career
plus super easy to get drugs
Does JBW apply for HK? What kinds of drugs are easily accessible?
Yes and no. HK is very diverse and obviously has had plenty of white people around for a long time. However, in HK there is still remnants of a colonial culture where white people are generally stereotyped into being more classy, wealthy and ofc attractive.
You're not gonna be anyone's first foreigner, or white guy. But it does give you points with Chinese women and in career as well.
Again though, HK is super diverse. So you're not only dating Chinese. You'll meet Ausies, Japanese, English, Indian, ect. as well. Point is with cooming is that I had a comparable tinder experience to Colombia, Peru or Chechia in Hong Kong.
As for drugs it can get a bit expensive but if you just go out you'll be offered. My first Friday I went on a Tinder date going out partying and the gal invited her friend, who's first words she said to me were "you wanna get a bag?"
The staples of weed, coke, MDMA, speed are about as easy to get as your desire to find em. Coke girl later told me she knew a guy who had 2cb though we never did it, so more exotic stuff can be found too
Hong Kong is top tier but you need not just a good job, but a REALLY good job to live there comfortably.
Singapore used to be cheaper but now the rents have skyrocketed there so the two are probably comparable now.
I would tell you it is the one you're born in, but it depends on how ones life is lived, truly.
And certain possibilities for how you live your life will vary from country to country.there are ways of living inScotland that aren’t possible in Arizona and Vice versa.
Japan. I lived there. You get the obvious parts. Tokyo, city stuff, etc. Rent is affordable, eating out is cheap. 15 public holidays per year. Countryside is easy to get PT and is beautiful.
Japan is a beautiful country but the people are some of the worst I've met in any place. Unsociable, unfriendly, fake polite, and generally two-faced.
It doesn't help that the salaries are shit and working conditions are not great (at best).
All in all it can be comfy if you work for a foreign company and move there with a wife or something and just want to settle down I guess.
Simply go to Osaka
salaries are even worse in Osaka and there are barely any jobs
I didn’t have that problem. They were nice to me. When I lived in the middle of nowhere old people were nice to me and we had chats in the onsen bath (I worked there). In Tokyo, see old lady fall off bike, help her up etc.
never been to any of these countries and gets his news from pol, lmao
Hawaii or Switzerland.
UK
Despite all it's ills, its still quintessentially British.
>quintessentially British
Grew up in Switzerland and I'm not sure I want to live here. Maybe it's the whole grass is greener thing... or I'm just depressed. I don't feel swiss, nor do I feel portuguese like the rest of my family.
Feel like I grew up with the internet watching almost exclusively english media. I always imagine myself in a anglo country. I'd really like to move to the US or Australia. Maybe spend some time in SEA and then retire in portugal, south spain, mexico (or CH if climate change makes those places unlivable)
Choosing where to live is stressing me out
Do you like the weather in Switzerland? The Northeast US particularly New England is a decent choice
I don't mind it. Anything colder I wouldn't want. I think I prefer med climate though
I worked there for a bit and felt similar, I think the swiss are just anglo wannabes, sometimes it felt like they care more about what's happening in america than their own country, at least in the sector bubble I experienced, very bizarre feeling. Felt like nothing important was going on in the country itself so people just spoke about other shit. It's just a depressing soulless country imo, that's the impression I got, but $$$...
The question of where to live just depends on the people you know imo, if you have good friends or gf or whatever in switzerland then you might as well stay, if not then you could work abroad for a bit to get a taste and decide. US gets a pretty bad rap from euros who move there, because of its very different culture, no idea about australia though. Southern europe is the best place but wages are much lower than us or ch, but if you have some money from working in switzerland already and are willing to learn the language/assimilate it's paradise.
>It's just a depressing soulless country imo, that's the impression I got, but $$$...
As an immigrant living in Switzerland, I concur. It's not bad if you have a partner or family that you spend plenty of time with, but it can get a little lonely otherwise. Thankfully, I'm fine being alone and I earn a decent income, which allows me to travel. Plenty of nature stuff to do if one is into that also.
For locals: Switzerland, Scandinavian countries, Japan, Australia
For foreigners: Thailand, Vietnam, Portugal; basically you want a poor country but safe and with decent infrastructures
You can try living in the "locals" countries as a foreigner but it's quite hard, you'll have to put a lot of efforts, learn the language, etc. but if you're really set on it and ready to struggle it can be worth it in the end.