An American who's been to all 50 states but never left the US, or a Brit who's been to 5 nearby EU countries?
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Who's more "well-traveled"?
An American who's been to all 50 states but never left the US, or a Brit who's been to 5 nearby EU countries?
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I would say the American. The US is fricking massive and you'll find every biome on Earth within it. Food wise, another win for the US. Culture/history is where I would give the win to the brit. Can't imagine state or US history is as interesting as the ones in those older 5 countries. Hard to define "well traveled" now that I'm really thinking about it, what does it mean to you?
Just something I was thinking about recently. I've basically been to every major US region except up by the northern plains (Dakotas), Hawaii, and Alaska.
I feel like I've been to something like 30 US states, but I'm wondering if other countries do that. For instance, does a Canadian from Ontario go to British Columbia for vacation? Does someone from London go to Scotland? Etc?
Yeah Brits holiday across the U.K. a lot go to Scotland, North Wales, the Lake District and Cornwall. It’s expensive and often works out cheaper to fly to Spain or Greece for a week, accommodation costs have been through the roof the last few years.
>does a Canadian from Ontario go to British Columbia for vacation
Leaf from Ontario here. Yes, it's very common for leafs to visit other provinces, I often heard of people visiting places in Alberta, Nova Scotia, and BC. Just this year a friend came went on vacation with his family to Newfoundland
>Food wise, another win for the US
Lol wat
You're getting the best dishes from all over the world in one country, you just need to know where to look. If you want to frick around and be willfully ignorant about it, be my guest. The US has better food selection and food than Europe.
Us has good food but europe is simply more diverse and better
Objectively wrong unless you’re referring to NYC or LA. Europe has better quality food as well as diversity in cuisine
Europe has better food but the US has more diverse food.
That’s not the fricking point moron, you can find the same fast food chains and gentrified hipster globohomosexual downtown areas with pho and Ching Chong goy slop in every fricking state. Meanwhile each European country has a completely different cuisine besides eastern ones
I'll admit it I don't know what cuisine differences you're talking about, but if you ask someone in California, Texas, Kansas, Illinois, and Alabama the question "what ingredients are in chili?", then I bet they'd all give you different answers. I dont know if this is exactly what you mean by "cuisine differences," but I think it's probably more diverse than you think.
frick me, yanks are utter mongs
you're unfrickable
>Food wise, another win for the US.
bait
hmm, why do you think so? trying to think of a good you can't get in the US that you can get in yurop
american food is bland as frick, I've been there, the ingredients you can source are poor quality. sweets and others are stuffed with corn syrup due to farmer subsidies, pigs are fed literal trash (illegal in civilised countries). the only stuff that america has exported that is eaten in other countries is cheap msg filled garbage that only appeals to the lowest common denominator in other countries (fast food). it is incomparable to french, italian or even german food. I remember being at a conference in San Jose and people were raving about the food, I had to bite my tongue it was so bland.
TBF I do quite like the show "good eats" which does have good American (mostly southern and mexican) recipes that I have tried, but none of this stuff is popular outside the US.
The American, no shit.
The US is huge and is a continent on its own.
5 EU countries are peanuts and even depends which countries are you talking about and how.
>t. EU citizen who did almost all of Europe by car
Every city in America is the exact same. Everyone dresses the same. Everyone eats the same shitty Applebee's restaurants. Everyone drinks the same shit IPA beer. Everyone speaks the same language. Everyone watches the same TV shows.
The EU has much more differences from city to city even in the same country. If you've been to 50 US states, congrats you saw the same thing 50 times.
That’s why I said ESPECIALLY by car so you can reach countryside and natural wonders. And food is different in many states if you’re willing to try.
The US mogs the shit out of Europe, nature-wise.
I'll agree that cities are mostly the same regionally, but I grew up in the black belt and it is basically nothing like Southern California. There are differences, but they may seem minor when comparing Spain to Germany, for instance.
I've been to like 2/3 of the US states and I've been to several european countries.
One of the most striking things about driving across the US is how the people change, going from an indian reservation in Oklahoma to . But other than that things are all kind of the same. The natural stuff is epic but what makes the US different from Germany isn't the Grand Canyon, even though there's nothing like it in Europe, its the intangible things. Greece is a fundamentally different place from Norway even if Alabama is noticeably different from Minnesota. If you've visited 5 european countries that's enough to experience some variety. I've crossed the chunnel, it feels like you arrive in a very different culture from the one you left, in ways that driving across the US doesn't. You can drive from El Paso, Texas to Indio, California and not really pick up on any major differences between these places. There's a reason nobody thinks Americans are well traveled.
As an American, I wish there were more international travel options. A flight rom LA to Boston is equivalent to a flight from Dublin to Moscow, but no European thinks going from California to Massachusetts is "traveling"
Nobody is saying US States are more culturally different than countries in the EU.
We are saying someone who visited 5 EU capital cities isn't that well traveled.
I'd actually go further than arguing that US States aren't different and say that all Anglo countries aren't that different, and the main difference between them is the accent, which is very trivial.
When people compare US states to countries, its more about politics and the amount of power USA delegates to the state governments, not about culture.
>You can drive from El Paso, Texas to Indio, California and not really pick up on any major differences between these places.
You realize El Paso is majority Spanish speaking, right? If you go a little north, you'll go through the Navajo reservation, which also has their own language. Was a pretty terrible example, even if I agree with your point
>Greece is a fundamentally different place from Norway even if Alabama is noticeably different from Minnesota
Okay, but is someone who sat on Mykonos for 5 days getting hammered off gin and tonics more well traveled to someone who went hiking in Alaska?
He’s right about about El Paso to Indio, and how I know you’re either not from the US or are unfamiliar with the demographic social structure in these areas. El Paso and Indio are basically 90% Mexican and they are very similar, I’d say El Paso has more in common with New Mexico than Laredo or the Rio Grande Valley
So is his point that USA has a homogenous Hispanic culture?
Every EU city is the same. No AC and tons of Muslims.
Go live in East Cleveland and then La Jolla, and tell me this is true.
La Jolla
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Nice example. kek
They are the same La Jolla is basically in San Diego, moron.
>If you've been to 50 US states, congrats you saw the same thing 50 time
lol, good bait
Europeans always say this, but when they come here all they want to do is shop at outlet malls and eat the Cheesecake Factory
mutts will be butthurt but this is true
Miami and New York are far more different from each other than any two cities in the UK you wish to pick
Even in OPs hypothetical situation it's shows just how deluded and similar the US is. 50 states vs only 5 countries. If they were even somewhat comparable it'd be at least 50 states vs 25 countries.
25 countries is pretty well traveled, that easily beats out anyone who hasn't left their country. Someone who has visited 25 countries is a legit traveler.
But 5 countries for a Brit could just be a few beach trips, a ski trip in the Alps and visiting Paris/Amsterdam once. In that case, someone who has visited every part of the USA is better traveled.
Visiting each country is not equal also. If the 25 countries are all in Europe, I consider that less well traveled than a Westerner who has visited 10 countries in Asia. Also time visited makes a big difference, someone who went on a drinking vacation to Cancun and someone who explored several regions of Mexico have both visited Mexico, but obviously aren't equal
I know this is bait but I love that euros actually think this way
>have european friends
>Anglo friend wants to go to an english themed pub and eat kebab for an 'outing'
>French go to only french places as they are too afraid to look stupid because they are braindead
>Austrailians who go to the cheapest hotel/hostel with the cheapest bars in sight and drink 4 beers before getting kicked out and pass out
>Scandinavian who travels and simply wants to sit in their hotel all fricking day
>German who has to be a beer snob when no one fricking asked
the brit because they have experienced more cultures
>experienced more cultures
Staying in some hotel chain, having lunch in a restaurant, visiting two museums and taking shitty photos with your girlfriend before flying back does not constitute experiencing culture.
>makes up specific underwhelming experience
>uses it as a default to make broad conclusion
man you must have sucked in debate class
up specific underwhelming experience
that's how 99% of people in Europe travel, you gaylord
Here we go. Fricks like you have to ruin a perfectly good thread by complaining about others with nothing to contribute.
I would say the European. I have been to almost all 50 states and it is definitely more difficult to travel in Europe with different languages and currencies.
What currencies are you using with 5 nearby countries to the UK
Well the UK uses a different currency than anywhere else in Europe for starters. Then some countries have a different currency. Switzerland and I think Denmark never joined the euro either.
British Pound
Euro
Danish + Swedish krona
Swiss franc
Polish zloty
Probably the American. Visiting ALL the states in the US is a huge travel, at least to my European perspective. It means taking a lot if planes, requires planning, driving cars for long hours, it's a massive chore to organize. Meanwhile as a brit or as a eruopean in general, visiting other 5 countries can just mean raking a 29,99€ ryanair flights and go to Ibiza, Florence or Amsterdam with the boys for a weekend. It's not comparable.
If I've been in all 83 Russian Oblast's, does that mean I am well-travelled? There you go
Russia is even bigger and more diverse than the USA, so actually, yes.
Someone who has visited all 83 oblasts is indeed more traveled than a Brit who has been to Mykonos, Ibiza, Rome, Paris and Amsterdam.
Was this supposed to be ironic?
What a dumb question, obviously the Brit. Amerifats can rage all they want but all 50 states are layover McDonald's parking lots with no history or culture
I'm a Brit who has been all across the US and Europe and this comparing US states and European countries needs to stop. It is absolutely in no way comparable. The most annoying thing about it is that it ignores that even european countries have varying local cultures. Just take France. Brittany is nothing like the Savoie region and neither are like the south coast. The south west even has a Basque speaking region, literally one of the oldest speaking languages in the world whose ancestors arrived thousands of years before the ancestors of europeans and every region of France has its own local cuisine and it isnt just oh wow they put pastrami in burgers here or oh wow they're like fries but they are square. No.
The united states is one country and the cultural differences cross border are seriously exaggerated
Wtf are you talking about. Each state is completely different. Some call Cola "Pop" others call everything "Coke". Truly unique experiences.
they are tho, north and south Louisiana are perfect examples
I agree. Eastern Iowa is nothing like Western Iowa. Two completely seperate cultures, architecture, languages, even currency.
Agreed. One uses the USD and the other trades in scalps.
This may be true about France and Italy. But Eastern Europe is all just one identity and culture. The only difference between Poland, Moldova, Bulgaria and Romania is severity of poverty.
As a burger this, I don’t know why Americans try so hard to portray the US as vastly different from region to region. Most Americans are carbon copies of one another, same English with varying dialects that’s even getting more similar with valley California accent uniformity across the country thanks to Hollywood, same “food” across the country, etc. the only thing that differs is the degree of blacks, minorities, and nature
>implying regional accents aren't dying in Britain as well
Britain started off with more variance, so it'll take a bit longer, but I've met several people from northern England and Scotland who sound indistinguishable from the "typical southern English accent".
Listen to how the young folks in Leeds sound vs the old folks
A brit is in a completely different country with a completely different culture and language in less than 2 hours (Netherlands). You can't compare this to someone from North Dakota visiting Maine, not even close.
Neither are well-traveled.
but 1 is clearly more well-traveled which was the question muppetbrain
If the usa guy is an experienced outdoorsman going on long camping trips he wins but that's the only scenario he does
It really comes down to:
Someone who has visited London, Dublin, Brussels, Amsterdam, Paris and Berlin vs someone who has visited all 50 US States.
Honestly Berlin and Paris are the only truly different “cultures” from the Englander and for nature there is no comparison that all 50 US states beat NW Europe.
>Brit who's been to 5 nearby EU countries?
has the brit been to 50 EU regions over those 5 countries?
italy france germany spain + whatever other one, u can have the equivalent of visiting 50 european "states"
The Brit travels from London to Cardiff to Manchester to Newcastle to Edinburgh to Glasgow to Inverness to Kirkwall to Belfast and on his travels experiences far more cultural variation than all the US states.
Eat shit new worlders.
Another Brit who thinks that people speaking in a different accent means its a different culture.
Guarantee you Miami, Salt Lake City, NYC and Memphis are more different to each other than any cities you can pull from UK.
that is a much larger distance travelled
There really isn’t as much variation in these cities as you think there are and they are massively further away from each other. Most Americans act the same and it’s even more the case with the internet and media, just slight differences in behavior and more variation if it’s rural versus urban
>Most Americans act the same and it’s even more the case with the internet and media, just slight differences in behavior and more variation if it’s rural versus urban
Everywhere in western europe and North America acts the same, with language/accents only being a trivial difference. That's globalism for you. The cultural differences between Britain, Ireland, Canada, USA, Australia, NZ, Germany, Netherlands, Scandinavia and within these countries are all trivial these days. Everyone acts the same, I myself have lived in several countries. The character of cities changes, the culture changes are just trivial.
But we're not talking about different culture, we're talking about cities being different, and Miami, Salt Lake, NYC and Memphis all all very different despite the cultural difference being trivial. Miami is a majority Spanish speaking place, members of a 19th century anti-alcohol Islam inspired cult form the majority of Salt Lake City urban area, Memphis is majority black, while New York is a massive global megacity that serves as the financial capital of the world.
Anyways, the main point I was making is that a city being different isn't the same thing as culture being different, and suggesting so is dumb because all cities in the west are multicultural anyways.
NYC is more similar to London than it is to Albany, New York, or even Los Angeles. Toronto, Chicago, New York and London are all similar cities despite being located in different countries.
Austin, Texas is very different than Dallas, Texas, but that is not me suggesting it has a completely different culture, I'm just saying the city is different, with Austin having the hipster/tech crowd.
The west is multi-cultural, there's more cultural differences within cities than between cities. That's my point. There is no "New York culture" just like there is no "London culture" or "Paris culture".
Everywhere in Britain and Ireland is the same, except for London which is just a generic big western city and Birmingham which is something else entirely.
Accents change in Britain/Ireland, culture stays the same. A lot of people say 'culture' when they mean 'accents', or even language, lets not pretend Rotterdam, London, Frankfurt, Sydney, Toronto, Dublin and New York are all completely culturally distinct places. The cities all may have their own character, but the culture isn't really that different. The addicts in Frankfurt yelling at you in a different language doesn't make the culture different.
I can already sense the Scottish and Irish getting ready to respond angrily to me, but its true.
>nature
American obviously wins by a landslide. They've likely seen all the best national parks, they've visited Alaska, they've seen deserts, mountains, plains, and tropical islands. They've likely visited more climates.
>culture
Brit I guess. But he likely just went and drank with other Brits in Amsterdam, Paris, Prague, some Greek island and some Spanish beach.
If they actually spent a lot of time outside of touristy areas, that'd make a difference.
So if the Brit stuck to touristy areas, the American is more traveled, if the Brit actually took time to the explore the country, I'll go with the Brit.
>American obviously wins by a landslide. They've likely seen all the best national parks, they've visited Alaska, they've seen deserts, mountains, plains, and tropical islands. They've likely visited more climates.
amerishart delusion.
I’m yuropoor and America’s nature completely mogs Europe it’s not even funny.
Europe does have small pockets of beautiful nature but keyword is here “pocket”.
Once you’ve done Yosemite, or Yellowstone, coupled with some Alaska bits and anything else such as the Grand Canyon, there’s no coming back, nature-wise.
If you love outdoors, the US is absolutely great.
Which 5 EU countries exactly are you picking that beat someone who has visited all 50 states in terms of nature?
Certainly you can pick Switzerland, Norway, Italy, Iceland, and Croatia (most of these aren't technically EU but not really the point). These places are all very beautiful, but does this beat all 50 states in terms of nature? I wouldn't say so
Someone who visited all 50 states has likely seen
>tropical volcanic islands in the pacific
>the everglades of Florida
>deserts, including Death Valley
>several mountain ranges, including Sierra Nevada, Cascades and Rockies
>Glaciers in Alaska
>Yellowstone National Park, Zion, Bryce Canyon and the Grand Canyon
>Has seen alligators, bison and bears
>The great plains
You're absolutely deluded if you think the EU has more geographic diversity than the USA.
My house is adjacent to an old growth forest (in the middle of a city, it survives undeveloped). How many of those are there in Europe?
The question was also “nearby” EU nations. So basically Ireland, Benelux and France. I wouldn’t say this is well travelled for a yuro.
Very true, but I'd also say how much of France they've visited matters. If they've just been to Paris, they are very untraveled.
Europe is huge. Goes all the way out to Kazakhstan. Of course the area of Western Europe that is not even 1/3 of the continent but most of the people has less forest.
What are the Alps, Pyrenees, Carpathians, Azores, Sardinia, Norway, Switzerland etc?
I live in Yurop and I am an outdoors enjoyer, and I do a lot of wildlife signting and birdwatching. In fact, it’s an important part of my life, as these are my major hobbies.
I’ve been to most of the famous nature spaces of Europe (Alps, Carpathians, Pyreneans, Snowdon, wetlands in Spain, France, countless national parks in Europe, did a lot of Scandinavia etc) and many lesser known, and elsewhere in the world, that are not that impressive but still very interesting (Rømø island, Texel island, etc).
Again, beautiful, but nowhere as many and especially ENDLESS as those in USA. If you add Canada, then there’s almost no reason to go to Europe for nature except if you want to tick some bird species off your list.
The only country that has truly stunning nature in Europe as a “whole” was most of Norway and a large chunk of Sweden (especially the northern half). Spain has the best biodiversity with beautiful places as well, great country for birds and animals in general, possibly the best in Europe. Everywhere else, apart from some beautiful mountain chains such as the Alps or some interesting wetlands, is a bit of a joke.
The fact that North America has the absolute best outdoors with good quality roads is one of the reason why I want to move somewhere there in the next few years, as outdoors is an absolutely important hobby for me.
When the hell did Kazakhstan join the EU? Must have missed that.
I really don't think OP meant Russia, Kazakhstan and the Caucasus when he created the premise of a Brit who visited 5 nearby EU countries.
If you have only traveled North America, Europe, and Australia/NZ, you aren't well traveled in respect to culture. These countries are very similar.
You aren't well traveled unless you've spent time in non-western countries, excluding places like Cancun, and Bali.
So neither of them are well traveled when it comes to culture, and the American is more traveled when it comes to nature, therefore the American is better traveled.
I’ve contemplated this question for a while. As an American, I lived in Europe for a year. When discussing travel in the US, I’d always tell my European friends that out of 50 states, there are maximum 16 states you have to visit and experience. You can straight up just skip states like Iowa, North Dakota, Kansas, and Mississippi. The biggest distinction between Europe and the US is that while there is an general similarity in terms of culture, politics, and society in Europe, there are more differences than similarities, whereas the US is the exact opposite, there are some differences between places like Indiana and Ohio, but overall they are much more similar than they are different.
Even “boring countries” like Slovakia or Estonia has their own quirks that make it worth while to at least visit once even if just for a day. I cannot same for states like Iowa or Arkansas. You can find good food in pretty much any big or medium sized city in the US, but that’s the catch. You can find a good pizza place in Des Moines, Muncie, and New York. At the end of the day only one of those places has its own distinct famous style of pizza. Is that culture if a small city has good food and a public square with a fountain?
everywhere has more regions to explore than just visiting one place
this isn't an accurate map, someone just made regions that aren't identical to the real regions and the periphery countries they didnt do it for
Everywhere not on the coast in America looks like this
to troll is fine and accepted
i hope you do not truly believe this
All small towns in America are chain restaurants and Walmarts. Flyovercels hate mom and pop shops so they've all gone out of business
Yes, Yellowstone National Park is a highway exit
The national park service had to be created so you guys didn't put chain restaurants and 8 lanes through the middle
right
the national park service
the one that was created in 1916
back when we first started paving the interstates
right around the time we first started driving crossover SUVs
in 1916
I'm from the Gulf Coast and everybody looks like that
>checkmate libtard
would it not depend on how many destinations someone has been
50 states - you would assume they have been to atleast 50 locations
5 countries - they do not define this, have they visited 10+ locations in each country?
i realize someone seeing all 50 states for atleast some will have stopped at more than one location, does the comparison to the 5 euro countries need to assume the traveler has been to 75 to 100 different locations for both options?
Spain, Germany and the UK are only as differeny as Miami, NY and Toronto. Barcelon, Berlin and Liverpool even look the same, only difference is the """language difference"""" (they all speak english)
No Anglo country even has a cuisine anymore.
We all eat an "international diet"
how do u define a cuisine?
Have to take the American. 50 states would include Hawaii, Alaska... Then Maine, Washington, Florida, Montana, Arizona. These are vastly different places, united only by fats at Walmart.
One could cover all 50 states of America doing little more than driving on freeways, eating at fast food franchises, and sleeping in chain motels. In fact, that is how many Americans travel. I've never been across the pond, but I'm pretty sure covering five countries in Europe would result in a far more varied cultural experience. If your definition of "well-traveled" refers to geography/nature and not cities/culture, America beats Europe hands down. The variety and accessibility of natural areas throughout America is unmatched by any other country on Earth.