Why do expats in East Asian countries - and especially Japan - always complain abouttheir lives? If you don't like it, go home.
A different travel community.
Why do expats in East Asian countries - and especially Japan - always complain abouttheir lives? If you don't like it, go home.
It's still preferable to dealing with morons.
Most people in Japan that complain are nignogs from the US. Jus check out any "black in Japan" video. All say the same thing and cry about racism.
>Is blatantly racist
>Acts annoyed people complain about racism
Polfags really are delusional
I'll let you in on a little secret: no one likes morons, not even morons like morons.
I wish the Japs would just drag them off somewhere in the night and slit their throats one day.
You are the morons to these Asians.
I don't think they do complain any more than foreigners from anywhere else anywhere else. Westerners in Latin America and Africa complain, Westerners in other Western countries complain, Asians everywhere complain.
The only reason why Westerners in East Asia catch so much flak is that there's this meme that they're "not supposed" to complain, that them makes them a sexpat white supremacist LBH or whatever.
>that them complaining* makes them a sexpat white supremacist LBH or whatever
White tourists - especially Americans and Bongs are extremely patronizing to the locals wherever they go.
>constant superiority complex regarding themselves and their superior 'free minded' societies and attitudes
>thinking that the locals are dumb who don't understand their motives, even when that well isn't that case/is demonstrably proved otherwise
>refer to the countries as 'shitholes' that they are doing a service by visiting
>unrealistic expectations where any level of discomfort is found to be intolerable
>constant influx of bloggers, youtubers, travelers complaining about the countries not being 'Western' enough
>treating the countries as nothing more than a fancy vacation ground, where you provide nothing of value other than a foreign currency
>still be extremely judgmental about other tourists and locals
>"akshually THEY'RE the most racist people on earth"
Remember the entire wave of Youtubers covering the evils of Chinese society, while they mooched off locals, get married and still shit on the country for 'not doing enough', instead of getting a job or integrating with the culture. This only increases mistrust with the locals, nothing else. And that's just the case for East Asia, the ones who visit SEA are just straight up the dregs of society. Literal losers, they know it, the locals know it, their people back at home know it. People like (
) who would complain about morons in their own countries yet behave in fashion not dissimilar to them.
I don't know what causes this behavior, maybe they've never had to face actual discrimination or proper hardship before this back home so it suddenly shatters their sense of entitlement? The only ones who don't act this way are genuine boomer couples or actual weebs/people interested beyond a surface level understanding of the culture.
Not saying the locals are necessarily any better, but the tourists who act this way are complete scum.
People made careers out of complaining about China after mooching off them & marrying one of them. Weirdest fucking trend.
How many married Fujianese? Fujianese seem to exist to bitch about China; no wonder it rubbed off on their foreign husbands.
>NOOOO THE HAN IS SO EVIL BECAUSE HE WON'T LET US SMUGGLE DRUGS AND PEOPLE
Just visit the Asia threads on this board, these people are mentally ill. They consider themselves to be above morons, etc. yet they act worse than them. There are black students from Africa who visit China and actually integrate well. The level of entitlement is off the charts.
They end up marrying some self hating opportunistic woman and then raise kids in an environment full of self hate to "own the zhangs". Recipe for disaster if it ever existed.
This is an aznidentity poster. 100%
Meh. As someone who was in the CCJ wechat group I seriously doubt any of the shit they talk about. The people in that group do nothing but post on there. I could check the group at midnight then get home and 3am from the club and see 999+ Wechat messages in the group. You think any of those people had actual lives? Seriously doubt it.
One thing that confuses me is why the CCP hasn't deported them yet. I'm positive they are aware of the group but they dont seem to care. The group is extremely anti-CCP (well, anti anything really).
>asians who marry white males are more likely to be self-hating
that's basically true, hapas have all kinds of mental issues in the west
What the fuck is this "self hating" "self hate" spam I see in relation to Asian women on here and on /gif/ lately? Is it one guy pushing it?
Ye, but it still lets them date 1-2 points above what they could get in the US in particular. A Chinese 4 is like an American 6, if only because she's not fat. The main downside to becoming yellowpilled is the derision of your peers, which is why I think people are less vocal about it than the 2000s.
what is "yellowpilled?"
Openly preferring asian women.
Its spoiled godless rebellious types who had their ass handed back to them by reality.
A common understanding is the biggest advocates tend to go full on biggest enemy as soon as they've had full on immersion.
worse son ever is yellow fever son
China is the mexico of Asia tho
As a Mexican who lived in China I fucking wish Mexico would be the China of anything. My country is a complete fucking shithole.
no, phillipines is the mexico of asia, china is the china of asia
To be honest, I don't know if what you're saying really rings true. Some of the most ignorant and condescending Westerners in Asia are cluelessly naive and optimistic normie, party-hard types, or literal boomers who just hang out for a year or two, while on the other hand, some of the most bitter, unhappy foreigners over there have been there for decades, learned the language and know more about the culture than most people have forgotten. A lot of them are actual Asians.
This party line that bad, shitty foreigners are ignorant and arrogant, good, high-quality foreigners are intelligent and humble sounds like what a lot of Asian nationalists, aznidentity types and weebs want to be true more than actually true.
Browsing this board is a direct counterpoint to your claims.
Besides, why visit shitholes or stay there if you don't like them? You're not being held at gunpoint, all of them decide to visit for some reason or the other.
Yeah dude because autistic sighsee users are definitely representative of every tourist ever.
>I don't know what causes this behavior, maybe they've never had to face actual discrimination or proper hardship before this back home so it suddenly shatters their sense of entitlement? The only ones who don't act this way are genuine boomer couples or actual weebs/people interested beyond a surface level understanding of the culture.
It's because those Americans and Bongs will never learn a language and will always be outsiders or stuck in the expat bubble. Their life there is very superficial.
Also, just talk to them and you'll discover that more often than not they have a shit relationship with their families and are losers back home. They thought that moving abroad would fix all their problems.
>who would complain about morons in their own countries yet behave in fashion not dissimilar
They burn, loot, murder, and then cry about police? I doubt it
What makes you think Asians in the West don't complain and judge everything? Hell there are prominent elected Asian politicians and media people in the Washington Post and New York Times doing it, and I'm pretty sure native Asian tourists, students etc. in the West make all kinds of YT videos and blogposts complaining about white racism and how violent and shitty everything is
>Remember the entire wave of Youtubers covering the evils of Chinese society, while they mooched off locals, get married and still shit on the country for 'not doing enough', instead of getting a job or integrating with the culture
You're talking about literally like five guys. Admittedly very popular since they appeal to a particular market of Westerners who hate China, but there's nothing particularly representative about them.
Five Guys are delicious though
You don't even need to go to Asia to see that shit. Bongs in your close perimeter in Spain or Greece are just cancer. Heard the same shit from Americans (,Chinks and Russians) in all over Asia.
Humans complain about things. Doesnt matter where or when; we're all complainers to some degree.
>Live in China
>All the expats are butthurt and complain
>Live in Korea
>All the expats (except koreaboos) are butthurt and complain
>Live in Thailand
>All the expats are butthurt and complain
Currently in Vietnam but I just arrived. Will give a detailed report in 11 months. One pattern I noticed is that the butthurt expats are almost always white and can't speak the language for shit. Living in Asia has ironically made me appreciate morons. White (usually euros) will do nothing but bitch about "why locals do this?" while blacks just accept it and move on. They are also extremely glass hearted because if God forbid you criticize their countries they'll seethe about it. There is also the opposite but much smaller subset of expats who go native and won't make a single complaint about anything. They aren't perfect either but at least they try to live life positively and actually understand the local culture, nor are they hypocrites. If you don't like the country, move away. I left Thailand because it's a shithole (for me personally), so why would I want to suffer living there everyday? Korea and China actually have redeeming qualities for me.
anon do you mind elaborating on why you preferred Korea and china over Thailand?
seconding. make it good fgt
>ones who visit SEA are literal losers, they know it, the locals know it, ?people back home know it?
this is honestly the only hardship about being a sex tourist. Its shouldering the all encompassing reality that you're a fucking loser, all the """expats""" around you are fucking losers, and the fact that the locals know you're a fucking loser and they BARELY tolerate you for money. but i have to have sex, so unfortunately, its a cross i have to/am willing to bear. I do my best to mitigate the scummery, but its just pissing in the ocean
pretty decent point.
its true. the expat community in thailand is full of miserable gays. most of the expat community centers around the red light district and its basically high school 2.0, even with boomers.
you already know the answer dude. its to have sex. i put up with every negative externality in thailand because i can fuck literally hundreds of girls in 6 months. you can't do that anywhere else with the same level of safety, permissiveness, and environment. its why EVERY SINGLE WHITE MALE IN ASIA STAYS THERE IF THEY CAN
the only thing that makes me recoil with cringe is the smug gay "still got it old boy" boomers. i want them to die
>i can fuck literally hundreds of girls
Aren't you the penultimate gross sexpat yourself? You're like a male roastie or something.
He's just pointing out a fact. Everything is motivated by coercion. Most expats are coerced into staying by their own ego. Sex helps with the ego. People who fuck more believe they're better than the people who fuck less.
But if you go back home, you won't fuck, so you're not better anymore. You'll just be back to your own sucky self.
yep. its like doing heroin and then being forced to go cold turkey. im basically always mildly longing to go back to thailand psychologically, while I dissassociate from everything else.
yeah it's very empty, i was a manwhore in my 20s while i was in the marine corps, slampigs to prom queens, didn't care, ended up getting a trailer queen pregnant, now poor af and trying to put together a career in my 30s
What makes people like this tick? I mean, I get that being whiny and complainy all the time is impotent and pointless, but why do you then get pickme "good one" gays like this who simp hard for the local culture and pull the love it or leave it shit? They're not going to pay you more money or let you fuck their teen pussy. Nobody noticed or cared how you really showed it to LBH white loser expats on the internet.
If you haven't figured it out, literally all of it is just dick measuring. A secure person who wasn't interested in looking down on others would never engage in this kind of thinking in the first place.
If you learn the language and understand the culture you literally will get paid more. More work opportunities
>or let you fuck their teen pussy
Again, the more you speak the local language, the easier it is.
>and pull the love it or leave it shit?
Because as mentioned before it is hypocritical to live there and spend all your day complaining about the place. Its like watching a TV show that you hate and complain about, yet you still continue to watch it everyday. Simple as.
yeah, thats basically what i tell anyone who has complaints about America. Just fucking leave losers. We dont need your kind here anyways.
Honest answer here, from a former expat in Taiwan.
>why pull the love it or leave it shit?
Because you're probably looking at the end of what must've been countless interactions with those whiny fucks. You have to understand that at least 50% of the issues they are facing during expatriation can be solved by integrating more, i.e learning the local language, thus relating to locals (co-workers, local businesses, possible friends) on a deeper level. The extreme majority (there are exceptions) of these dudes did not do that.
Anyone in the rest of the world, including you if you're not an expat, knows that if you don't speak the local language, even if you speak English (oftentimes not so great if you're not an anglosaxon), you will be severely hindering any interactions you might have with the locals. This in turn will severely impact your professional career and social surroundings. Every fucking couple i've seen there has broken up for the same retarded language barrier reason.
And when you take all of that into account, and suddenly realize that most expats, that seem to be so ambitious and resourceful at first, do not want to take even the first step of learning the language, your first reaction is of surprise. A lot of folks will tell you it's too hard, that it's impossible. Others have resorted to the traditional "it wouldn't make a difference" cope. While I on the other hand was able to orally speak Chinese in a reasonable capacity in a year or so (my writing still sucks but does it gets better) and got more fluent as time went by. So either these fucks find it truly difficult (in which case, take more fucking classes instead of drinking fucking booze every night ?), or they're just coping, in which case the only possible reason to not learn the local language is if you feel too good for the locals. And if you feel too good for the locals AND are endlessly complaining about your lot in life, what the fuck are you even doing here ?
as said before. they know that if they go back home they will be confronted with the crushing reality that they are abject fucking losers, will not be able to get a crumb of pussy, and will forefiet the slowly declining but still worthwhile white worship and otherness of being white in an asian country.
I'm personally experiencing this and weaker people would probably off themselves.
>not dating the horde of Asian students in your own country looking for the uh, full Western experience
I don't really buy this idea that knowing the local language and integrating necessarily makes someone happier or more at ease. I mean, just look at all the Asian and African immigrants in the West, can you honestly say that those who speak English fluently and are "better integrated" are particularly happy?
And meanwhile, an awful lot of the high profile "shitty" foreigners in Asia (Debito, Serpentza, Croatian Gabriel in Korea) are actually closer to the local culture and know the language better than most.
It's obviously possible to be happy and fluent/integrated, but it's also clearly possible to be very unhappy and fluent/integrated. You also have party hard types who just know how to say hello, uno beero por favor and they still often have a great time (obviously there's the other type that can't go with the flow and are completely aliented from society).
Basically the correlation just isn't there IMHO. This is something people want to be true, because it seems like the right, good thing to do. But I don't think fluency/assimilation = happiness. It makes for an easier time at the immigration office, makes certain aspects of life easier and communicating more well fluent, yes.
But the more un-PC answer is that having money, power and freedom is what makes people happy anywhere, and integration/fluency is only tangentially related to this.
Not to go full aznidentity, but I suspect growing Asian nationalism, and perception (part natural, part forced) that Westerners are losing their footing is what's behind modern expat bitterness.
In the 1980s and 1990s, you could show up to almost any Asian country, earn a very competitive local salary, and be positively respected for being a) rich and b) because Western culture was both perceived with more deference and was more novel.
Now you go there and the LBH meme (partly true, partly malicious and forced) is well-established, you're objectively earning an average-low salary... it's a fight NOT to be assumed a loser.
To be honest, high-skilled expats in Asia are objectively the biggest losers in terms of making bad choices. TEFL teachers are at least getting a cushy, easy job that pays the bills, something a lot of them as per the memes likely couldn't manage at all at home, whereas if you're in something technical or stressful in Asia you have to ask yourself why you've chosen to have a generally much shittier time for less compensation than you could have obtained doing the exact same job in a Western country.
>in a Western country
Just say USA, you retarded amerimorons flood all thread with your if it doesn't pay 300k a year it's a shit job bullshit when the rest of the world doesn't even make 60k. Japan is fucking great for 99% of the planet.
Your arguments are not really contradicting my point, because you're conflicting correlation and causation. fluency = happiness is not something i'm saying. What i'm saying is that you're probably enjoying your time more in the country if you were speaking the language vs if you didn't. Nothing can get you to happiness in a vacuum. Having money and having power certainly helps, just as being stoic and aware that being happy only really depends on your mindset (although i disagree that you can be a 100% detached from reality as Epictetus argues)
>I don't really buy this idea that knowing the local language and integrating necessarily makes someone happier or more at ease. I mean, just look at all the Asian and African immigrants in the West, can you honestly say that those who speak English fluently and are "better integrated" are particularly happy?
Because you don't see all the advantages associated and implicit to the ability of speaking English in an anglosaxon country since you already have them. You wouldn't even be able to immigrate there legally (and we can all agree on the fact that illegal immigration fucking sucks) unless you're doing one of those weird visa schemes because your brother has a deli stand, but you certainly won't be able to work in an actual company doing an actual job. Even if you do happen to speak English but in a non-ango western country, e.g France, you won't believe the amount of opportunities you're missing because you can't work with a fully french speaking team. I know, fuck the french, but that's pretty much true of most of Europe. Well, same goes for Asia. You're missing a lot of stuff you wouldn't even be aware you've missed. Does it mean you'll be objectively happy if you had them ? no, but it helps.
SerpentZA (only guy I know that you referenced) would probably have a far shittier time and less opportunities if he didn't speak the language. It's funny because the three relationships we know of that he described are fully in phase with his level of integration. The first one he had with a freeloading ass when he didn't know shit about the country, the second one was with basically a girl that was advertising beer (aka Beer Girl) when the guy was basically your average expat discovering shit and having the time of his life, and as he just got more experienced and better established, he ended up with Sasha, which, judging at least from her credentials, overall behavior and levels of complicity, the better of the three. As for his demeanor, it's pretty clear his personality is just like that and it's not the fact that he lived in China that made him the way he is.
>Not [...] novel.
I'm not saying the contrary, I actually agree with that, and what i'm saying is that people are not adapting, and by adapting I mean understanding the new rules of the land. Back in the days, the hottest thing was being white. As more whites came in and ruined the fucking thing for everyone and as east asian countries became economic superpowers, the hottest thing is to now be a bilingual fucker who can deal with both peoples and bridge the gap between international partners. And if even if there is no hottest thing, there are direct quality of life improvement to speaking the local language. Do you truly believe that not speaking vs speaking English in say, the USA wouldn't make a QoL improvement ? Or speaking Spanish in Spain vs English in Spain ? Why would it be different with the East ?
>you've [...] country.
Western, or American ? A French/Italian/Spanish engineer probably works as hard as a Japanese (for Paris) /Taiwanese(Non-Paris) engineer for a similar salary. Plus R&D in my field is so much satisfying in Taiwan, thanks to more generous funding.
Working conditions are worse and pay is lower in Asia for almost all fields than they are in the West, especially the United States.
Ironically, the sole exception is probably English teaching, and the fact that schools are forced to offer any old guy off the street a pretty good deal is the main reason English teachers catch so much more flak than other foreigners in the region: they're perceived as legitimately "taking advantage" of local people, and receiving more than they're worth because of geographical arbitrage. English teachers are also much more likely to speak the local language than people in other fields both because they stay longer, because they have more free time, and because they usually don't have as much backup and help from their employer and are more likely to have to solve their problems and issues on their ace which gives them the incentive, but they're probably disliked more all the same, anyway especially in Korea, but also China and Japan too.
>Working conditions are worse and pay is lower in Asia for almost all fields than they are in the West, especially the United States.
This might have been universally true like 20 years ago, but I think the gap is definitely shrinking.
>Working conditions are worse and pay is lower in Asia for almost all fields than they are in the West
>almost all fields
Yes, except westerners who come here do almost only work in the fields that are better and/or have better pay. In most countries you're probably not getting a visa if you can't earn more than what an average joe can earn there anyway. Working on semi-conductors in Taiwan will get you farther than in most euro countries. Most people wouldn't move if they didn't see some improvement of their condition. Not everyone is a five-figure earning American who would get their salaries slashed by 70% should they move away.
Those "high class" white expats tend to not speak the local language. Like, at all. So I don't see why this is used as such an excuse to dump on English teachers who are much more likely in my experience at least to get out of their comfort zone.
Language ability correlates with length in country, that's it. Pretty much everyone <5 years in can't really, whereas those with 10+ years are mostly on the way. I don't see it having much to do with status, job, or respectability one way or the other.
We're talking in circles here. My original point was that speaking the local language was a good plus. It's not a necessary nor a sufficient condition for success. For some reason, you (or whoever was responding), did not seem to grasp that, and was giving me what he believed were counterexample of people who did succeed without speaking the language.
The "high class expats" you're talking about also live in fucking bubbles with little to no awareness of what's going on besides their immediate environment because they don't really need that to succeed; they probably have years of expertise to bring forward to any local company that very few can actually compete with their resume, local language or not. Those guys will also probably complain about their day to day life because if you live in a country and don't speak its language, life will likely suck a lot more than if you didn't.
Truth is I don't mind english teachers as much as some weirdos on this thread. All i'm saying is that when push comes to shove, life will suddenly suck hard for them because the country that was so welcoming of them because of their anglophone passport and TEFL experience will not be so welcoming of their absence of skills in other fields as they try to switch careers, and then get bitter and complain about everything bad in their lives. Yet when you ask them if they did any "real" effort to improve their lives (considering some re-training, learning the language), they can't
No, that's not it. It also correlates with success. If you took the percentage of people speaking the language fluently right when they went in the country in vs the ones who didn't, for an equal level of skills, the guy who speaks will get more opportunities. That doesn't necessarily mean that the former is doomed to failure, but there is an advantage.
>the percentage of people speaking the language fluently right when they went in the country
I don't know realistically how many people this applies to. For example, do most people who do a BA in Chinese or Japanese or whatever manage to get a HSK5 or N2 by the end of the degree? Besides heritage learners and a handful of autists, I don't know if there realistically are many non-Asians who arrive in country for the first time with anything close to fluent ability. Ditto for Asians who move to English-speaking Western nations.
Yeah, and not a single one of these autists I personally know of hasn't been hired and hasn't a good position in there already (granted, it's a small pool of people). You don't even need to come from a place of fully fledged fluency to show that you're at the very least able to understand some of the shit and will probably be fluent quicker than someone that didn't do this crap at all. I don't understand how one can say that this is absolutely and truly equal to just barging in without speaking a single local word. The only thing we can truly debate on would be its relative efficiency as compared to other factors but we couldn't fucking know, to be truly honest. It is a study worth doing, though.
>Ditto for Asians who move to English-speaking Western nations.
The ones that don't speak English work at massage parlors, end of the question. You will never see an Asian work at fucking Intel in California that doesn't speak english. But I know one guy that didn't speak a lick of mandarin working for TSMC in Taiwan. speaking the local language is even more of a determining factor in the West
The crushing majority if not the entirety of skilled asians move there with some level of proficiency in english.
>The crushing majority if not the entirety of skilled asians move there with some level of proficiency in english.
English is a much more widely-taught language in Asia than Asian languages are in Western countries, so it's natural that most Asians who move to the West will have better command of English than native English-speaking Westerners who move to Asia.
(By contrast, Asians who move to non-English speaking countries to work or study for the first time usually have close to zero language ability. I can't imagine, for example, that the average Korean working for Hyundai or Samsung in Poland or Mexico has any more command of the local language than basic greetings and pleasantries.)
>it's natural that most Asians who move to the West will have better command of English than native English-speaking Westerners who move to Asia HAVE OF ASIAN LANGUAGES*.
Woops, that could be confusing.
English is a much more widely-taught language in Asia than Asian languages are in Western countries, so it's natural that most Asians who move to the West will have better command of English than native English-speaking Westerners who move to Asia.
so why the fuck would you even say "ditto for asians" then if you knew they'd come with a correct enough knowledge of english. are you the same guy i'm citing ? if it's you then you're fucking retarded
>By contrast, Asians who move to non-English speaking countries to work or study for the first time usually have close to zero language ability. I can't imagine, for example, that the average Korean working for Hyundai or Samsung in Poland or Mexico has any more command of the local language than basic greetings and pleasantries.)
you can't imagine because you didnt encounter them. On the other hand I've seen a shit ton of chinks come in with a good enough command of the french language to work as either phd students or engineers . the ones who dont realize they do not have the luxury of not speaking the language and take intensive courses. There is no way in hell that you're right if you're trying to imply that the West is more charitable when it comes to not speaking the local language because it really doesnt. How many 1st gen have you met that arent just spouses living off their husband that do not speak the local language ?
On the other hand, if you've ever been in Asia, how many westerners have you seen speak the local language ? the ratio is clearly not the same.
Bro, there are tons of Asians working in continental Europe in English offices who don't learn the local language. If they have kids, they send them to an English international school.
That's not criticism, if you aren't living in a country for a long time you shouldn't be expected to learn the local language.
>How many 1st gen have you met that arent just spouses living off their husband that do not speak the local language ? On the other hand, if you've ever been in Asia, how many westerners have you seen speak the local language ? the ratio is clearly not the same.
The people on this board (probably you included) are westerners so of course they would be likely to meet westerners in Asia than meet Asians living in Germany.
Westerners in Asia are a very very small percentage of the population, and most are only there for a very short period of time. Asians in continental Europe are often there for a long period of time.
I have been preachong my point for two days. are you bringing an honest rebuttal to my point or did you just come in to nitpick a hyperbole ? If you truly brlieve that the ratio of non-speaking asians in the west vs the ones that do speak english is in any way relevant you are delusional.
I may have not met a lot of qualified asians, but the hundreds I did meet in the West were almost invariably speaking the local language. Whereas the white expats i've met almost invariably didn't.
in Asia are a very very small percentage of the population, and most are only there for a very short period of time. Asians in continental Europe are often there for a long period of time.
Get to the fucking point or i will find you and gut your fucking cat
Obviously you don't speak English very well if you can't understand his point. He's saying Whites in Asia aren't there forever, and do go home. Why would they invest time to the language if they only stay a year? meanwhile Asians move forever to the West. Learning the language for them makes way more sense.
Can you understand that Zhang?
Read the fucking room before chiming in, retard. We've been having an exchange for a week now. I wasn't asking about the meaning of this particular post but rather what's he trying to prove by moving the goalposts almost systematically while not really trying to prove anything. Also, not everyone who annoys you in a certain way or does not share your opinion is Chinese, or some aznidentity retard. No need to get mad, this is not worth having an asthma attack over (not that you would know)
Let's compare to very similar populations : the post-2008/2010 immigrants of Asia going to the West vs the western ones going to the East. The poorer ones that came before usually stayed because of economic reason (i.e everything was preferrable to going back to their countries and the west welcomed them with open arms) and are not really relevant to the point i'm making.
My point is clear, and very simple. People who speak the local language usually prosper. People who don't speak it will have a harder time at getting into anything. Social lives are heavily impacted as all you can do is interact with your fellow people, working as a team at your job is seriously hindered by the language barrier, and chances are you'll have difficulties doing even the most elementary administrative tasks, e.g getting tax sorted out, etc. This will seriously, on a statistical average, shorten your stay in the country because your experience will more than likely be shittier than if you could somehow interact with the people there on a deeper level than asking for an english menu when eating out.
Now being an Asian going to a western country comes at one advantage : if you're going to an English-speaking country, chances are you already speak the local language, whereas the westerner in Asia still has to do all of that (and unless it's bahasa, chances are the language is ridiculously hard). This is in part explains why even the qualified Asians stay longer than a westerner in Asia.
>"why didn't you read my 200+ posts about why White people suck"
lmao fuck off ricel.
I'm not chinese you retard, where does it say that I said white people suck ? Why chime in a conversation you don't even understand ?
I sure hope you don't do this IRL
Asians in continental europe are often here for a long time because (ding ding ding !) they learn, or already have learned, the local language.
Westerners don't, and for all the white worship they receive it will never fully compensate for the lack of understanding. Even worse is when said westerner isn't a native english speaker, therefore almost always at two degrees of linguistical separations from the locals. So, not a lot of them want to come, not a lot of them succeed in having any jobs so they're filtered a priori and you don't even know it.
Asians on the other hand usually have the advantage of knowing english in advance, and should they go to a non-anglophone country they usually take intensive courses to blend in (or tend to come back quickly due to the lack of opportunities). They know they won't have it easy so they don't take a chance.
West != US
I know lot of Asians working in northern Europe who don't speak any of the local language despite living for years there
The hard truth is that Asians are megalomaniacal nationalists, they want foreigners to give them face by making a heroic effort to get good at their language and culture while being held at arm's length, but when it comes to learning other languages besides English (which is obviously useful and expedient to learn)they are as lazy as anyone else. This whole notion that foreigners in Asia are particularly disrespectful and arrogant is a total meme with no basis really.
Exactly and you can't blame them for it since it's a sensible thing to do.
I don't get this "you have to integrate" thing, wtf that even means? If I go to Africa I don't want to become a moron, why should the Asia be different? Of course I will be still different from them and that's perfectly fine for me
I've learned local language in some places but that's only for my personal benefit, not because I want to "integrate"
Hey hey do not blame all asians for actions of certain group of chinks. A majority of asians hate them too ya know
>certain group of chinks
LOL the same attitude is everywhere: Japan, Korea, even SEA
They want your money and their women like your BWC, but men prefer to keep you at arm's length as the previous anon said. And 90% of them will not learn western language beside English (unless it's absolutely necessary like in France/Germany)
Kys CCP shill
Koreans and Japanese are definitely like this too.
>I know lot of Asians working in northern Europe who don't speak any of the local language despite living for years there
So what ? The asians living there will suffer from the same retarded problems than their western counterparts in Asia.
Are you guys autists ? Do you truly believe not speaking one's mother tongue isn't better socially than having to force your interlocutor to switch to a lingua franca ? Or is it that since you are native english speakers, you just can't figure that there is a hierarchy between 1) speaking your own language, 2) speaking English and 3) speaking your interlocutor's language ? are 2) and 3) the same to you ? I'm really not saying something outlandish here, Jesus Christ
>The asians living there will suffer from the same retarded problems than their western counterparts in Asia.
Okay, but you said that all Asians in the west who can't speak the local languages are working at massage parlors. That's clearly not true, since there are many jobs throughout continental Europe where you are required to speak English and not the local language, and many Asians have those jobs.
your punto being ?
I am going to derail the thread a bit but I need it because I have questions about Engineering and you can help me Anon.
I'm an EEE student and I will finish my 2nd year this semester. I am going to apply to Siemens for Part Time Student as a System Engineer, so I have several questions for you:
What kinds of skills to they look after? I have some knowledge of Altium, rudimentary Python, and a very advanced English (t.eurofag) with some German. What should I do this summer to get that System Engineering job? I have also applied for a System Eng. course in Coursera. What do you think I should do? I am sorry for derailing the thread but I need help.
I'll try to help but i'm not an SE.
You should definitely consult the MIT Open courseware course on SE. Read all the lecture notes before any interview so you know what the fuck you might be talking about, then get yourself the suggested INCOSE's systems engineering handbook + that course you got on coursera (would be nice if you get some kind of certification you can boast, HRs love that shit)
When it comes to general skills, people love systems engineers who know what the fuck they're talking about (which takes a lot of experience, but you can always at least show that you know what a phone is made of if the system you're working with is a phone. If not, being able to make educated guesses is always good. Just don't be like "I don't know" and/or freeze like a retard). Don't hesitate to ask during your interview about what kind of systems will you be working on if the job offer didn't say anything. You want to have a solid idea on what test will be able to validate what function in said systems, what specs you might need for what function, which are usually based on certain standards, or have already been decided in the company. a good system engineer is one tidy motherfucker. V cycles tend to get horribly messy due to the constant back and forth of feedbacks and validation and you need to be able to show that you can track everything and be flexible.
e.g a good SATCOM systems engineer should know what bandwidth the antenna they're installing requires and what it actually is and should be able to recognize whether or not its current bandwidth is acceptable. A big plus would also be if he knew how to check for it himself, but the test engineer usually takes care of that.
The good news is, since most systems are already pre-defined especially in well established companies, so you're just doing maintenance of current processes with slight improvements.
Thank you very much for your comment Anon. Do you have any other ideas how I can impress HR people? Impressing them is the only reason I am trying to get certificates from Coursera.
I honestly think you'd be better off asking someone that knows something about something bro. maybe look into your alumni network, or linkedin contacts.
>impress HR people
Some of the Debito butthurt gaijin types over there got babytrapped/married etc. and are stuck. Poor pathetic bastards lmao
I was surprised to learn that his Wiki Early Life did not contain "gnomish". He really does look the type.
This is black cope wrapped in black larp
>t. ESL monkey
What sucks about China is if they gave up the barbarism and Commie attitudes of typical third worlders, embrace Westernusm while keeping cultural art and traditions and they'd be better than Japsn.
if you read anything about Chinese history you'll see that being corrupt and barbaric as shit was always the case, while japan was always a very high trust society.
China has a gigantic way to go before abandoning "barbarism and commie attitudes"
Wtf are you talking about?Japan was known for blatantly copying US and German IPs for decades. It's the reason we had a trade war with them in the 1980s.
Thailand resturants suck at getting the appetizers out before the main course, thats my only real complaint, also to many thai clubs dont leave enough room for a dance floor, if so dumb.
It’s because they get stuck in shitty jobs with ridiculous visa limitations.
Spaniards are the worst gaijin, they go as as afar as saying that gaijins and nips can't be friends
It's really simple to explain
>be (typically white) from the west
>hate life where you live
>decide to move somewhere because grass is greener
>turns out grass is not greener and you need to make a serious effort to assimilate and thrive in a completely foreign land
>rather than make the effort, whine instead just as they whined back in their homelands
>hate where they moved to, hate where they came from, fearful of moving again because they know they won't make an effort on their next move
>whine because effortless, praying the country they moved to bends over backwards for them rather than realizing they wasted the opportunity they were given
That's why they never do shit about it, they never did it because of their love for a foreign culture, they did it to escape from home. Escapism is not a sufficient means to cope away from your shitty life, at least not long term.The only expats living it up are the ones who did so out of love for country and culture, learned the language and made a serious effort to relocate forever. This is not the majority for obvious reasons. The ones who dont make the effort all cluster together too because easy communication, relatable dislikes and same lack of enthusiasm/effort, leading to a negative feedback loop where no effort is made to integrate. The flip side is also the ones who made a big effort but dislike the final result, leading to a sunk cost fallacy of epic proportions that becomes incredibly difficult to walk away from.
Our colonial history has made us cautious bro, they started friendly but then stabbed us in the back
Are Western expats in other parts of the world just as salty on average?
Yes, americans and anglo expats in Western Europe are just as salty. The losers back home will have the same experience everywhere.
China is very bad for this.
Expats show up and get stuck, because while they earn a decent salary by local standards, they can never leave due to their lack of skills. Then they grow bitter and resentful, and just want to bitch about anyone and everything.
>while they earn a decent salary by local standards
This isn't really that true anymore, and even when it is that's less and less meaningful since inequality is spiking everywhere. Take teaching English in South Korea. $2,000 is actually undeniably still as good as the average Korean wagecuck will ever get, but that doesn't stop it from being considered a less-than-respectable standard of living.
I suppose how evident inflation is, combined with what social media is doing to our reality is undermining this attitude in the West too, but there definitely used to be this social idea that it's okay to be average.
Because most of them are a bunch of dweeb losers that sucked back home. Now they suck in japan but project their own suckyness onto whatever country they chose to descend upon.
Also most of them reveal how little they actually know how things back "home" work when they bring up really common shit everywhere in the world "wah uncompensated after hours at work, I gotta pay taxes wtf??!, whoa I have to socialize with my co-workers to be not the office asshole???!" as specific japan related problems.
Also you hear way less from the successful expats, because they're not squatting in unhinged incel imageboards but are out there hiking with their family or having bbq time with their local friends.
Imagine being a weeb from age 9, being that weird kid in school that was way too into anime and Nippon stuff, imagine being laughed at and reticuled for liking the things you like. Imagine learning the language and being genuinely autistic about one country.
Leaving means admitting defeat and your identity is a farce. That's why they stay
Why do non western countries act like their diaspora in western countries dont constantly complain about everything too?
White expats complain on message boards and the expat bar. While in the west their are a billion politcally active ethnic grievance associations
Why is it relevant at all ? In the west, complaining has a non-zero chance of changing stuff. In the East, changing shit is very hard for locals let alone foreigners. You don't want to piss them off and be the next Carlos Ghosn.
Just think of the ways you could make improve your lot as an individual and focus on that. Anything else is fucking unproductive. Expats provide an interesting professional network. Work on that, rather than just sipping shitty local beer all day and complain about why shit sucks/ is different. Or at the very least have a laugh, but don't do this shit.
The argument there from both diaspora communities in the West along with liberals, is usually that the non-Western diaspora in Western countries have actually worked hard to be good citizens and still aren't treated fairly (making their disillusionment and resentment more understandable). Of course conservatives will say they also have more of an obligation to be loyal and identify with their adopted countries in any case and aren't doing so enough for their tastes, and the far right of course rejects their right to be in our part of the world at all, and if anything dislikes them integrating even more than staying apart.
>Why do non western countries act like their diaspora in western countries dont constantly complain about everything too?
Lol have you seen Asian immigrants? They have it a million times worse than Western "expats" who go to their country. They face racism (while white people are worshipped and given jobs for being white), they're poor which is why they immigrated, they work super shitty jobs or start a small business and work all day, they're expected to speak the language and know the culture (white people are expected to not speak the local language but are praised for saying "hello" and holding chopsticks), because of their poverty they usually have to live/work in the hood and deal with nogs on the daily (see: LA riots). Yet despite all of this, they shut the fuck up, keep their heads down, don't complain, are actually grateful for the opportunity, and work to the bone until their 85 years old so that they can give their offspring a chance to thrive. Meanwhile you have complete losers who can't get laid, have zero social skills or any other real life skills besides playing video games, usually fat/lazy/ugly/stupid, go to an Asian country and expect to be treated like a king. Your comment really epitomizes how entitled and delusional you fuckers are.
>white people are worshipped and given jobs for being white
What are you talking about? The total white population of Asia is tiny, it's very difficult to get jobs in any sector where you'd be competing with the locals, and the jobs that locals can't or won't do where whites are most common (being a native speaker English teacher / US soldier) they're often deeply resented for "having it too easy".
He unironically thinks 10,000 English teachers in Korea getting the privilege of 2.1 a month with just a degree and a TEFL cert for a few years while being treated with wary forced politeness is a generosity that more than balances out millions of Koreans getting to move to the US permanently. No he really thinks this.
Who said anything about korea?
He mentioned the LA riots, and went on to rattle off the usual stereotype about English teachers specifically including the "treated like a king/왕자취급" thing which is a specifically Korean meme, so I'm pretty sure he's Korean.
>it's very difficult to get jobs in any sector where you'd be competing with the locals
The biggest reason why the total white population in Asia isn't that big, is because the foreign nature of the region itself excludes most of the job pool by not speaking the local language. You could always argue that there is some element of racism that pre-emptively makes one take a local over an asian person, but that sentiment is absolutely vindicated by the fact that there has been almost no show of good will for the last century in regards to understanding the local culture. Chinese people litterally shit bricks when they see a foreigner read newspapers because they think their culture is some kind of secret crap.
The reason why people complain (in Asia or in general) is because of expectations that are disappointed. You expected to have a certain quality of life in 10 years, but 5 years in you realize you're probably not getting there. Except anyone with a little understanding of how this whole white worship used to work would've predicted that it would obviously fade, and that a long term expatriation/immigration project shouldn't be based on that. People used to like white people because white people were synonymous with quality people with lots of money and specific expertise that the locals don't have. This is less and less true because the locals are getting better. And as standards of life improve, the relative "quality" of white people coming in decreases. And at the same time, white people show no signs of trying to adapt.
Immigration/expatriation will always imply that you're coming here because you're getting something you're not getting back home, and you know being worshipped is but a temporary state if you look at it (not even closely). It would actually be very unreasonable to expect to be treated like some white dudes used to be back in the 80s 90s.
Living in Asia unironically made me less racist towards blacks. Would see plenty of white people chimping out or acting like uneducated morons. Meanwhile the Africans I met (mostly students) were way more respectful and actually tried assimilating.
its because africa is hell on earth and anyone escaping that shithole is grateful enough to intigrate in any society better than the ones in africa. the disrespectful "morons" you see so much shitpostint about are all african AMERICANS. amricans being the important part here.
Not really, but then again you've probably never been to Europe then. It's a mix of two main factors : the willingness to be flexible and overall intelligence of the person. African students coming to China are usually the cream of the crop, whereas africans coming to europe are barely able to read, and thus raise uneducated thugs. It's pretty fucking obvious that even if the IQ in Africa is lower by two standard deviations to the Asian one, Africa is so populated that the upper tail of the distribution still represents millions of people, and China is brain draining them because it's far more interesting to have people that will be ok with chinese wages.
Inversely, white folks who stay in their country do so because they have no incentive to leave it, whereas the cracker sexpats have everything to gain by coming to teach english legally (or not, many such cases) and being an overal shitstain.
>Not really, but then again you've probably never been to Europe then. It's a mix of two main factors : the willingness to be flexible and overall intelligence of the person. African students coming to China are usually the cream of the crop, whereas africans coming to europe are barely able to read, and thus raise uneducated thugs. It's pretty fucking obvious that even if the IQ in Africa is lower by two standard deviations to the Asian one, Africa is so populated that the upper tail of the distribution still represents millions of people, and China is brain draining them because it's far more interesting to have people that will be ok with chinese wages.
Even in Europe there's a massive difference between African and African American students. African students that come here are indeed the cream of the crop, respectful and more likely to make an effort to integrate. African Americans are ignorant of other cultures and expect you to appease them. Africans and African Americans are not the same.
>African Americans are ignorant of other cultures and expect you to appease them.
That's just them putting the "American" in "African American".
>Except anyone with a little understanding of how this whole white worship used to work would've predicted that it would obviously fade
So you're saying whites aren't worshipped after all? Kind of contradicting your other comment.
It's Schrodinger's white worship.
>white English teacher losers are apparently hated and assumed to be creepy fetishist bums in their home countries
>also, loved and worshipped for their skin colour and get pussy and money they don't deserve thrown at them everywhere
It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit
Simply put : "White worship" isn't a binary state or even a static one. People used to have more privileges, now they have less, a trend that has been predicted from the start (surely you didn't think that all these people wouldn't eventually get an education as their economy grew exponentially). If you come there expecting white worship, you should also come there expecting a decrease of it.
Also, white worship is an inherently morally questionable privilege to have at best. I won't necessarily judge someone who profited off of the current context while it was there but acknowledges the fact that they're not as exceptional as they might've been and thus do not require such a level of positive segregation going their way which would now hurt nationals (or other non-whites), But if you're complaining that you didn't profit enough from it, which a lot of expats do in one way or another , that does say a lot about your character. The other day, a French guy in Laos was complaining that his salary as an english teacher was the same as that of his filipino coworkers. He's an illegal worker. He teaches English. He's fucking French. His English absolutely fucking sucks and they only took him because of his whiteness. Yet he expected more. And the sad thing is that he's not the only one I've encountered that was thinking in similar ways. That's what me and a few people have issues with.
There was a time Asians would've truly gained from getting any kind of profiles from the west, especially anglosaxon types, because litterall anyone from there could at least teach them some basic English, and the purchasing power from most westerners is also ridiculously high compared to a local. It is still true to a degree in certain countries, but in others hiring your random American is starting to not cut it anymore.
don't feed the troll
>thus do not require such a level of positive segregation going their way
What do you mean by "positive segregation"?
please spare me the maieutic and get to the fucking point (provided you have one)
You misunderstand me, I literally don't know what you mean. I've never heard of "positive segregation," are you ESL?
my bad, affirmative action is what you guys call it
There is no "affirmative action" in the TEFL industry. To the extent that whites are preferred by TEFL employers and clients, it's because they think (perhaps mistakenly) that a non-white face is more likely to be someone pretending to be a native English speaker. No-one is forcing their hand, they're free to hire whoever they like.
>it's because they think (perhaps mistakenly) that a non-white face is more likely to be someone pretending to be a native English speaker.
it's pretty easy to check for that my man, and being deceptive to it to the client is neither okay, nor is it sustainable on the long term for obvious reasons.
so sure, it's not affirmative action, but whatever it is, anyone profiting off of white worship and then complaining that it's not like it used to be is not unlike a scammer complaining that they only earn half the money they used to earn scamming the elderly.
>profiting off of white worship
Is hiring whites because you don't trust Asian-looking people to really be native speakers really "white worship" though? Sure it's stupid since a lot of Russians/French people can be hired and a lot of clients won't notice, but it's not the fault of mediocre Americans and Britons that the Asian bosses doing the hiring (and Asian clients who ultimately decide who employers prefer) discriminate against Overseas Asians who are native English speakers.
They don't care about the accent, they want their kids near White people. That's it, that's all it is.
How are white American, Briton etc. jobseekers responsible for these decisions made by Asian employers and clients?
>Is hiring whites because you don't trust Asian-looking people to really be native speakers really "white worship" though?
It absolutely is. When people are writing "American born Chinese need not apply",
>Sure it's stupid since a lot of Russians/French people can be hired and a lot of clients won't notice, but it's not the fault of mediocre Americans and Britons that the Asian bosses doing the hiring (and Asian clients who ultimately decide who employers prefer) discriminate against Overseas Asians who are native English speakers.
Like I said, people who are profitting off of it I don't blame much. I don't blame the fact that a white guy used a white only drinking fountain under Jim Crow. What I will find tasteless is that one may complain that the blacks have now full access to all drinking fountains and that "things weren't as good as they used to be".
Earlier on, someone pointed out that "if it's something that is happening, shouldn't it be reasonable to be expected ?". Coming from a place of hindsight and a little intelligence, discriminatory practices such as these tend to eventually be pointed out and tend to disappear (which is precisely what is starting to happen). Therefore you should definitely take that into account.
Same for non-TEFL, if job opportunities are less numerous and salaries are equalized as nationals finally have access to your job pool, and you haven't done anything to differentiate yourself from them (going as far as being inferior to them in some aspects such as interpersonal relations, due to you not understanding the language, for example), it's obvious that locals will raise an eyebrow at your complaints. You're coming from a far higher place to merely joining their level (actually not really, since the headstart you received will more often that not keep you above as your salary expectations are highly dependent on your former salary and not much else) and it's just another day in paradise.
The difference between a white man using a whites only drinking fountain under Jim Crow and a Western TEFL teacher in Asia today is that the white man using a whites only drinking fountain under Jim Crow (through his vote) was directly responsible for his unfair privilege over his fellow citizen. A modern Western TEFL teacher realistically plays little or no part in having an advantage in the TEFL teaching market over people of non-Western ethnic background in Asian countries. Asian employers and clients are making their own hiring decisions.
>Like I said, people who are profitting off of it I don't blame much. I don't blame the fact that a white guy used a white only drinking fountain under Jim Crow. **What I will find tasteless is that one may complain that the blacks have now full access to all drinking fountains and that "things weren't as good as they used to be".**
>the blacks have now full access to all drinking fountains
I thought the whole point was that the proverbial blacks still don't have full access to all drinking fountains, and that that's the basis for some of the resentment the white men drinking indulgently out of the uh, drinking fountains face.
>I wish morons didnt have access to all of our fountains like the good ol' days !
>I wish morons didnt have access to some ouf fountains like the good ol' days !
So for you, those two statements aren't equally shitty ?
To be fair, b - I can see Asia poaching huwhyte talent that's being overlooked because of Western Lysenkoism. Obviously, NEETs need not apply.
i think you have a mental problem
Nah he just spends too much time on 4chan
He's not even spitting 4chan talking points. He just wants to be as offensive as possible, which os funny because he's not reading half the posts he's engaging with yet is still foaming at the mouth
>us oppressed hwhite males have to flee to Japan to escape le globohomo! xD
That guy is definitely all about browsing 4chan all day.
China is literally poaching guys from Obama's National Security Council to work for Huawei.
There must be like 100 times as many Asians in the West as the other way around, and it's not by accident or just because the West is a more attractive place to live, although it is for now.
Actually, now that I think about it, part of the reason why the West is still so much better a place to live and work than Asia (generally speaking) is because Westerners take less shit from the bosses.
Asians take this as a good reason to move to the West in large numbers to escape the hell they've made for themselves... and also to shit on Westerners for being "lazy," especially those who insist on having a remotely decent quality of life even when they work in Asia.
>They have it a million times worse than Western "expats" who go to their country
Millions of Asians in the West have civil rights, and have had the opportunity to become naturalized citizens. Westerners who move to live and work in Asia don't have this, unless they have very exceptional qualifications and an extremely high income. Honestly, how many Westerners even those who've lived and worked in places like South Korea for decades and are essentially as financially independent as the average person at least, are eligible for permanent residency, let alone citizenship? You know as well as I do that the answer to this question is "vanishingly small" to "none."
>white people are worshipped
>go to an Asian country and expect to be treated like a king
If what you're saying is true, and white people are in fact worshipped in Asia, doesn't that make expecting said treatment quite reasonable, if that's what you're likely going to get? I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say.
lolno Asian-Americans outearn whites. Fuck off, you people have if good here.
They out-earn whites because they worked their fucking ass off. There's a reason they're here and not their home country and it's not because they were already wealthy
I was expecting this answer. You don't have hard in this country. Don't pretend you do.
i don't have it hard in the country because i worked my fucking ass off, have a PhD with half a dozen articles (not counting conferences) published and three patents. That is why i got in.
Whereas Bish Phuc Dat only had his clothes on him and enough to make a food cart. Now what country was more charitable to whom, I wonder ?
the young, loudmouthed TEFL bunch is the visible part of the expat population. guys past 30s doing their own thing not bothering anybody, highly qualified expats are the crushing majority. And the problems they complain about are more real than you think. Just because expatriation is an overall positive experience doesnt mean that you're exempt of blame. I complained in my country about shit, I will in yours. the guest analogy only makes so much sense when you're paying taxes to the host.
>PhD with half a dozen articles
>You don't have hard in this country. Don't pretend you do.
You're right. I don't have it hard in this country because I was born here. I'm referring to the older generation that immigrated here from war-torn countries and made a living while not being able to speak English and also being discriminated against. You can't deny that the immigrant story is infinitely times more admirable than some filthy sexpat that goes to teach English in Japan.
>not being able to speak English and also being discriminated against
Filthy sexpats in Japan can't speak the local language, and are discriminated against. What's the big difference?
>You can't deny that the immigrant story is infinitely times more admirable than some filthy sexpat that goes to teach English in Japan.
You're making the claim. What's particularly admirable about immigrants in America compared to "sexpats" in Japan?
This post is bait.
>White guys are bad, because they just are, okay?
There's a whole Hollywood mythology in America about immigrants being inherently praiseworthy people, and Asians in particular love buying into it and the idea that they're tough strivers unlike the lazy locals.
Another huge issue that few here have raised is the sad and depressing truth that expatriation is intrinsically *very hard*, but that people just stay in denial of this fact.
Sure, getting one foot in the door isn't hard (TEFL makes it trivial for anglos, WHV makes it easy for many, anyone with a masters with a few years of experience can get to it, PhDs can basically go anywhere thanks to post docs), having an actual career in an asian country is actually very uncommon and one of its sine qua non condition is to actually integrate as much as you can in said country. Now before any fucking retard tells me "you can't integrate in chinese/japanese/thai/ etc. society !", you have to acknowledge that you can, to a certain degree, make it easier to interact with you, and thus maximizing your chances of being a more valuable member of the society than you currently are. By speaking the fucking language, for example.
Once you suggest that to your fellow expat/immigrant, shit either goes down in two ways :
>I would, but I can't ! it's too hard/expensive/timely !
Yes, and this is why expatriation is hard. Although you can usually mitigate it all by being smart (flashcard methods, online free resources like that /int/ guide, online classes for 5 bucks an hour on preply or other e-learning platforums)
>Why should I ? The only way for me to fully integrate is to slant my eyes so any effort towards that is useless.
Which is basically a cope because anyone who speaks their language usually relate to them in far deeper levels but you wouldn't fucking know because when they speak the language, hanging out with expats is something they've probably stopped doing now or rarely.
The entire reason why these fuckers are still here is because of sunk costs fallacy. They've been there 10 years doing nothing but low added value bullshit (unless they're the lucky few working in MNCs), so they can't really admit that they have to go back, so they stay and fucking whinge all day.
to save face and not have to admit defeat
Have there been cases where someone will go to a country with an open mind and just be part of the culture/society there, regardless of how long they're staying, and still become a bitter asshole?
The thought of going to another country (Japan is my hopeful first visit) and complaining about everything being different and being seen as an outsider is absolutely bizarre to me. Of course I'd stand out from the rest of the crowd, and obviously they're not going to have Western amenities, and these are things you have to keep in mind when looking for somewhere to go.
How retarded are these self-hating expats?
Don't know about being seen as an outsider, but in the case of South Korea there's definitely a perception right or wrong among foreigners there that they are frequently the scapegoat for crime or any other social trend the natives don't like. I think they find it particularly galling given their tiny numbers (foreigners especially English teachers are obviously not contributing much to the rape, prostitution, promiscuity and other sexual bullshit in Korea for example, or the COVID outbreak).
>Don't know about being seen as an outsider, but in the case of South Korea there's definitely a perception right or wrong among foreigners there that they are frequently the scapegoat for crime or any other social trend the natives don't like. I think they find it particularly galling given their tiny numbers (foreigners especially English teachers are obviously not contributing much to the rape, prostitution, promiscuity and other sexual bullshit in Korea for example, or the COVID outbreak).
Despite being a fraction of the population, expats commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Around expats, never relax.
>Despite being a fraction of the population, expats commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Around expats, never relax.
Is this actually the case?
I was memeing. Whenever you're a minority in any country, you're bound to get more scrutiny. And the truth is that westerners are simply a far more messy bunch than Koreans, taiwanese or Japanese on average, especially for shit as basic as jaywalking, let alone drug consumption.
'Murican here -
If you came to America and talked shit about rednecks, corporation-bootlickers, NIMBYs, etc...
I'd be right there with you.
I'd be against generalizing all people in America as that, but there are plenty of groups we can agree to hate.
>wont leave for some reason
they're stuck there, married to a woman they can moderately put up with and know that if they try to leave they'll never see their kids again
they're stuck in their Interac/ECC job until the end of time hoping that one day they'll save up enough to open their own little bar in Kobe, but know it wont happen because her parents wont allow it (public shame of being a lowly bartender etc etc)
i'll take a stab at this.
i've lived here in japan for 5 years and not as an english teacher.
first, you need to understand the kinds of people who come live here. people who are adamant about living here usually exhibit most if not all of these traits:
1. they think moving to japan will make them happy
2. they're usually white kids from small-mid sized towns
3. they tend to be low-skilled and unemployable back home
4. they are almost always 24-34 years old. they maybe worked a year and are now looking to run away from the reality of work, having realized that they've not amounted to shit and that they have to take responsibility for that
5. these types of people are always, without fail, fat, unloveable, unfuckable, lazy, narcissistic slobs
So, this undesireable, unskilled, lazy, usually loudmouth foreigner moves to japan. japan offers them two things immediately:
by (1) giving them a job as an english teacher and (2) making them an exotic face in the dating scene, japan offers them a chance to pretend like that are desired as workers when they're not, and desired as romantic partners when they're uninteresting, cringe as fuck internet kids.
then comes time. maybe it's 5 months, maybe a year or two, but time passes. and the shine wears off. and the reality of life here sets in. and they realize that they have no friends, are hated and disliked by their coworkers, and their life here reminds them of their life back home. they're still the same undesirable, unskilled, lazy, loud person and now they're half a world away from the comforts of mom and dad's basement or their studio apartment in Portland.
their expectation of what life was going to be like here is shattered. then they bitch about how bad it is.
other people (pic related) really just are trying to get away from black people.
The funniest and most head scratching shit I've seen in Asia was when I was in Korea. I was unfortunately naive enough to hang out with a lot of other foreigners and something I noticed was that foreign men would get annoyed that foreign women were only interested in Korean men when they themselves weren't even interested in the foreign women and only wanted to fuck Korean women. The US soldiers were unironically a lot more chill than the foreigners who chose to live there (i.e. english teachers).
some of the most fun i've had was with enlisted army trash near yongsan, those dudes didn't give a fuck and were total bros
people who get mad at the complaining expats are either trapped in a bubble of denial, or are serious trolls.
>if you don't like it, go home
when you've spent a serious chunk of your professional and personal life in a certain place, going back is fucking jarring. it means rebuilding your network, saying goodbye to all the friends you've made, etc. for most, who happen to have a girlfriend or a local wife (ironically the coomers are a minority) or even a family makes everything even more complicated.
Also yeah, a lot of people get privileges, privileges they will lose should they choose to go back.
yet just because the good happens to outweigh the fucking bad doesnt mean that people wont notice the latter or point it out.
Say whatever the fuck you want about America being racist, it's litterally fucking nothing compared to what you find in Asia. This isn't a "some people are assholes" thing, it is an absolute, systemic, ans oftentimes government backed thing. With all its flaws, America is actively trying to get rid of shit like this whereas China, Japan and others are actively reinforcing it.
no one will second guess the fact that you are american if you speak flawless american. white kids who grew up in taiwan speaking mandarin fluently are still discriminated. and its fucking taiwan we're talking about.
And sure, teflers get "overpaid" (lol) but that salary is the last figure you'll ever see in your fucking life if you don't start your business, which again isnt the easiest thing to do in most asian countries, especially the ones that require an associate who can screw you out of the deal at any time, the ones that can just take you out of business like China, etc.
The other more legit jobs are overpaid for two reasons that are very legit and have nothing to do with white worship. 1) you work in an MNC as a transferee or 2) you're a proper well experienced guy who is actually competent enough in his job to be considered an asset.
so fuck you
take your meds debito, you will never be japanese
good thing i don't want to be one you bitch ass bro
take your meds credito, nothing I said implied I wanted to be one
I'm working for the embassy of my country in Tokyo. I avoid random foreigners like plague as they are 'different’ so to say. Japan is fine
Bevause only athiest libs with mental issues go to the East unless they already have a family or are missionaries.
I didn’t hang out with sexpat bottom-feeders (apart from one, but he actually seemed a pretty cheerful guy all things considered), so I may have had a different sociocultural sample than many people do, but when living in Thailand, the bitterest, most loathing/loathsome expat I ever knew was someone who just carried a lot of anger and rejection with him everywhere. He was a Vietnam vet from… I think Alabama. He had a pretty awful time in Nam, then came home to go to college on the GI Bill and felt betrayed by the States. His fellow students spat at him like an evil baby killer, he felt that the government let his comrades in arms down as they wrestled with what we now know as PTSD but they didn’t really understand in the 70s, and on top of that he wound up with unsatisfied literary pretensions. He wanted to be a Great American Novelist and never pulled it off, either because he was not very good or he never tried or because nobody pulls it off, and he resented the world as a result. Oh, and he had the passive-aggressive “everyone thinks Southerners are stupid inbred rednecks,” defensiveness going on, too, something my Western North Carolinian mother has moments of.
So he moved to Thailand, married a hotel cleaning lady single mom he rescued from a shitty abusive husband, set her up in comfortable lower-middle-class style as the housewife to the owner of a language school, and seethed at the world for its lack of recognition and gratitude.
He was an awful, bitter old son of a bitch, but he would have been just as awful anywhere.
They were losers at home and they’re losers in Japan. You can’t escape yourself.
The internet is full of videos and complains on message boards by Korean tourists like this one, complaining that service was poor or impolite and how this shows how Europeans are racist and deeply prejudiced against Asians.
If Korean students, visitors or workers in the West were routinely rejected outright from service sector businesses the way Westerners and other foreigners are not just in Korea but across the Far East, they would throw an absolute fit, and they would be especially outraged if Westerners outright defended it my saying that Asians are boring, creepy and ruin the mood or whatever.
I know, from being charged more as a foreinger for entrance fees (that is illegal in my country) to being charged more for services like food, haircuts, buying clothes etc (illegal), to straight up being told that I cant enter a bar or whatever becuase I am not asian (even if going with local friends) - this would be front page news in my country.
None of this happens in the west.....and you know what; thats fine, its their country. But holy fuck I cant stand when asians or whatever claim New Zealand or the people are racist, like its nothing compared to what I have experienced travelling and living in Asia.
if their lives were so great they wouldn't fuck off to the other side of the planet in the first place.
A happy man with lots of friends, a good job and a hot gf isn't gonna go move to japan for no reason.
Working in Asia results in lower wages and worse conditions then in the west. Fucking in Asia is only popular cause the men who do that can't fuck an endless selection of young white women in the west. If they could they'd never sex tourism in Asia.
Whoever you're talking about, knows this. he knows that he's in asia cause life at home was shit. Life in asia isn't great either. It just seems that way for some time if you're white and have an income. So he's bitter in a country where he's never gonna be truly one of the locals, knowing that at best this is a cheap substitute for a happy life in the west that he (and most people born in the west) will never experience
>this is a cheap substitute for a happy life in the west
Is life in the West really that great on average anymore? Granted maybe sighsee(nel) is melting my brain but seems like in the modern world we mostly now just have somewhat different flavour of onions dystopia.
on average no.
Which is why so many go to Asia.
My point is more that because good life in the west is hard to come by, people who can't get it in the west go get it in Asia, but it's still just a worse substitute, and someone who spend their youth working so that he can afford in his late 20s a cheap substitute to what happy people get in their teens in the west is gonna be naturally bitter.
>"I'm all good here my gf is cute and the food is good so I think I'll go back to living my life:) "
>"OMG GUYS IM SO FUCKED THIS SHIT HAPPENED AND OH MY GOD I HATE MY LIFE HOLY FUUUUUUCKKKK"
hehehe dummy I love watching people failing, better come back for more
Because they've been whiners from the day they were born.
Imagine being such a cuck as to learn foreign languages. I don't ever learn any continental Eurofaggy jabber, let alone Chinese or Jappo. Doesn't matter how long I've been there, if they can't understand English, I make a point of making it their problem not mine.
It's called humble bragging, people do it so others will go "Wow you're in X? Really? Please tell me more about your exp".
If people actually hated it they'd just up and leave
The problem I have with the (generally terminally online folks) who rage against English teachers is that when there's a degenerate English teachers, they collectively blame English teachers rather than the retards who hired them.
I think everyone who is an English teacher has witnessed multiple egregious hiring errors. An extreme example is the guy in China who was on the FBI most wanted list. A personal example is a guy I knew who was hired by an employer who knew about his mental health issues (diagnosed bipolar), yet still hired him, only for the guy to have a mental breakdown while teaching, post his schizo delusions on social media (where he let his 9 year old students follow him on).
These aren't the fault of English teaches, they're the fault of the people who made hiring decisions.
Most of those types of people are just garden gnomes and libtards on social media that try to pass gay marriage laws, chud rights and more immigration because they dislike Japan's homogeneity, their complaints aren't genuine and are purely political.
Does white worship even still exist in Japan?
I thought they wised up to most being retarded.
Or is it just fetishization of hair and eye color?
there's no white worship in japan bro, this is just a troll thread
Some complain about people complaining, which is the most retarded thing ever, as if pointing out one relatively negative aspect of life abroad automatically makes you an asshole
others are trying to say that asians have it harder here than whites have it in asia, which is only true because said whites bring something to the table (native accent for teaching english, decades of experience in a certain field), and you better believe that the asians won't prefer someone from their people over yours. The only time they don't is if they need some kind of white figurehead which is the only "white worship" thing, basically whoring yourself out to chinks and even that is starting to get seriously questioned
Also a moron is trying to argue that speaking chingchong will make you a chingchong but that's just wishful thinking, nothing of value was never achieved by kowtowing (pun intended) to people
As a matter of demeanor, I find Japanese people easy to get along with professionally and casually. As far as girls and dating are concerned, an average Japanese girl isn't obese or overweight and will cook and tidy up the house, which is more than enough to make most gaijin happy.
Expats are the morons of Asia.
People like whining wherever they are though, I live in one of the most prosperous countries but I still love to complain about our shitty politicians, awful weather, retarded boomer etc. I think it just tickles people the wrong way because it's a foreigner doing it. Because then they should just fuck off back home? But home could be worse still. I guess at risk of oversimplifying it's like how you can complain about your own family but strangers cannot.