>Chicago
Come and see, umm the filthy ass bean? Sears tower, and Portillos >Kanas City
Home of the Chiefs and that's it >Madison
Corruption of Wisconsin at it's finest >Indianapolis
The Speedway, that's it and Highways >Twin Cities
Used to be nice >Columbus
Never been, assume it's a shithole
Why do people shill cities so much? Come to Midwest to experience small town comfy living, not some New York wannabe.
My response was directed towards the anon who said there is nothing in the Midwest, I pointed out cities, but yes you are also correct, there are plenty of comfy small towns, also we do have some great nature in the Midwest, everyone seems to overlook it, but we do have it.
>Small towns aren't comfy.
I'd consider Springfield OH a "small town" and yeah there is plenty to do if you can socialize with people and share hobbies that aren't "I like to go COOM in SEA". Hell most conversations SighSee would love because small towns would love to talk about how biden and the government suck. The amount of knowledge people end up gathering in small towns can often shock you and if you're willing to put yourself out there and be willing to be part of their community you'll never run out of things to do. > And the jobs suck, such that you aren't really better off cost of living-wise.
What's so hard about getting a remote SysAdmin job and banking 80k/yr in a place where most combined salaries are ~70k. Besides once you buy a house the overall income really doesn't matter that much. I bank something like 5-6k/mo with my remote job and travel around 6-8 months out of the year, only coming home in winter to recertify, work out, check on the house, and plan my next year.
They misinterpret the basic decency of the white man for weakness. His humble work ethic for unsophistication. His straightforward manner of speech for banality.
Because it's white. The South used to be more of a punching bag, but thr unintended criticisms of blacks made it less in vogue.
whites are bland that's why no one wants to see you not even yourselves
you're so bland sex becomes boring after a while and you stop having kids or you go for chinks as your sisters go for bbc
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Why does the midwest get so much hate?
not hate, just indifference. There's nothing particularly interesting there. It's the same sights over and over again. Compare that to the west coast whose a single state can have mountain ranges and springs, deserts and luscious snowy forests at the same time.
we got bland cuz y'all darkies kept b***hin for centuries for rights, we gave them to you, we gave you every fricking thing you ever assked and then some and more AND Y'ALL ARE STILL FRICKING b***hING, PISSING AND MOANING AND SHITTING YASELVES ABOUT SHIT THAT HAPPEN FROM 500 YERARS IN THE PAST UP TO TODAY AND Y'ALL BE KEEP ON DOING IT FOR ANOTHER THOUSAND YEARS AND EVERY TIME WE THE WHITE PEOPLE SO MUCH AS EXIST ANYWHERE NEAR ANYONE OF RICHER COMPLEXION, WE GET DRAGGED OUT EVERYWHERE AS THE FUSION OF HITLER, JIM CROW, POL POT, MUSOLINI AND COLUMBUS ALL AT ONCE.
JUST SHUT THE FRICK UP YOU Black folk AND BE HAPPY WITH THE FRICKING SHIT WE GIVEN YOU. GOD DAMN! FRICKING BUILD YOUR OWN WESTERN WORLD IF YOU DONT LIKE OURS.
the midwest gets misinterpreted as boring when it's actually just safe and wholesome. East coasters cant understand the appeal of a low-crime, convservative and mono-ethnic society, which is what much of the midwest is. Americans don't even go to the midwest because it's reputation is so bad. I'm from Ireland and the midwest reminds me of home in some ways.
People don't hate it. This board hates it because they need a car to get around most places and simply being white doesn't get all eyes on you. Midwest/Great Plains are fine places if you're extroverted but outside the major cities, you'll be in for hell on earth finding friends if introverted. It's a fine area if you can get a remote job, plenty of cheap living in those areas, but to enjoy most the cities you'll need a car; Any city under ~100k won't have any bus system.
That's bullshit. Cities under 10k, probably. But I know lots of cities with 20-30k that have bus systems. But most people over 16 own a car in the Midwest, because of the horrible weather and spaciousness.
I should have specified "reasonable bus system", yeah the smaller cities will have it but you could almost walk across the damn town faster than the bus takes you.
Fat, very c**ty women. A general atmosphere of despair and decay. A population entirely of fat and dying boomers, entitled fat women, junky zombies, hood homies, and people who want to leave but are stuck. It’s cold as frick and generally ugly as frick, with nothing to do. It’s once impressive decaying abandoned meth den houses are the perfect allegory for the towns they inhabit. It’s the most American part of America, and not in a good way.
But watch. The shills will come at me seething because they hired feds to push back on anyone who points out how much of a shithole the US has become because they’re just now realizing they don’t have enough goyim willing to die for Israel anymore.
The South has way more jobs, lower taxes, better food, better weather, and friendlier people.
https://i.imgur.com/mUhdgpT.jpg
Most of middle America (apart from Colorado) is dull. The American heartland does not have a leisure culture; leisure happens with friends & family at home, not downtown. Most towns are very lifeless, with people only coming into town to do business, and that rarely on Main Street these days. The Midwest is the only region of America that I haven't explored in all my years of wandering around America. But some parts of the Midwest are quite appealing, so I'd like to visit them just as the warm summertime weather arrives and everyone heads outside to have fun. Some of the more appealing towns have more of a fitness culture, with greenway trails and good public parks.
It's not all like that. Simply look at which parts of the region are growing; those are the desirable parts. The shrinking towns and cities are either sad & lifeless or shitholes, if there is a significant black population.
Cope. The Midwest is peak burgerpunk despairporn doomer aesthetic at it’s finest. Some slightly less shitty but still very boring pockets don’t change that. In the future there will be a Chinese bald and bankrupt streamer walking around the Midwest talking to old lot lizards instead of bubushkas but unlike Bald he’ll probably be killed in action. Also your muh white shit is moronic. Midwestern whites who don’t leave are some of the lowest quality people the world has to offer. Anyone worth anything leaves ASAP. Also, imagine cherrypicking and selling the region with Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, and Gary as muh white, lmao
>LOOK PAPA I POST IT JUST LIKE AYER!
This more accurately describes most coastal cities than "flyover" ones.
There he is, rent free. You never even try to counter any of my points other than saying “you’re not white” like some 2016 wignat caricature.
The women are mostly ugly and have personality disorders. I will add that the general public in most mid-west cities are the most unlikeable anywhere.
On the one side, you have the poor trashy whites including drug addicts, homeless, juggalos, scam artists, wannabe biker boomers who live in trailer parks, and the most delusional lowest class leftist tools in the country outside the west coast.
Then you have all the worst most dangerous blacks in the country in the sketchiest hoods one can possibly fathom.
On the other hand, you have pretentious and extremely rude millennials who think they know everything, overly judgy and uptight unwarranted superiority complex middle class in the suburbs and smaller cities, and rich farmers who are subsidized by the government and involved in corruption with local politicians.
Somewhere in the middle you have these really strange attempts at regional culture which seem like parodies of other US states until you realize they're actually serious. And the people involved or attached to any of this fake culture are weird as shit and can't even be trusted >Michigan viking hoax culture >"Yoopers" >Minnesota nice folx >Paul Bunyan shit >Iowans in general >Indiana rednecks
Avoid all these people and the entire midwest, if possible
Having grown up there, this is 100% spot on.
Born and raised in Iowa and went to University in Minnesota. This post went too soft on the Midwest. It's far worse than anyone could imagine.
Growing up we were so bored the towns youth would drive through the city center called "scooping the loop". It's just aimlessly driving in circles for hours on end until something happened.
As an adult there are almost zero professional job opportunities outside of the small big cities.
I'm so fricking glad I left. I now live in Germany and will forever.
Based and expat-pilled. I’m also from the US and left the shithole US for greener pastures. Best decision I ever made. If you can work remote from the US, outside of being farther from family, there is basically zero downside to leaving. Better women, better food, better architecture, and more freedom. This goes for most places outside the anglosphere.
Most of middle America (apart from Colorado) is dull. The American heartland does not have a leisure culture; leisure happens with friends & family at home, not downtown. Most towns are very lifeless, with people only coming into town to do business, and that rarely on Main Street these days. The Midwest is the only region of America that I haven't explored in all my years of wandering around America. But some parts of the Midwest are quite appealing, so I'd like to visit them just as the warm summertime weather arrives and everyone heads outside to have fun. Some of the more appealing towns have more of a fitness culture, with greenway trails and good public parks.
It's not all like that. Simply look at which parts of the region are growing; those are the desirable parts. The shrinking towns and cities are either sad & lifeless or shitholes, if there is a significant black population.
Dark blue means fastest growing. Dark yellow means fastest shrinking in population.
>great to live in.
maybe in your fantasy world
Seems its great to live the indoor life in your own home.
https://i.imgur.com/yCDFdfj.jpg
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You can pick from heat or cold.
You gotta understand probably 9 out of 10 anons probably are in their mid-late 20's still living at home with their aging parents in places they would have no chance affording if not for bumming off said parents good will as an adult. Most probably work some remote job or have enough free time without rent to save up some allowance or play the crypto game for some small winnings to travel every now and again. I think outside some military anon I bumped into there was only one other anon who moved out and had a stable job when we got to talking most everyone else in the group either was a cagie living at home or had a crypto fund.
When you realize less than 10% of all anons here are actually even thinking long term investments, local safety, income to cost of living ratio, tax rates, and so on; the thread makes perfect sense. The 4% rule is fricking dead and most people here are mostly on a downward spiral of savings 'but waiting for the next big crypto boom!', most aren't considering land and proper equity in their long term goals. Why people with so much crypto can't or straight up won't invest in property often confused me until I realize they live at home or store all their shit with mom and dad at 30.
While the midwest may not be GOAT it's far better for your average anon who wants to put in a decent stable investment for long term planning. With more jobs finally pulling out of high cost of living coastal states the midwest is going to be consistently growing. However maybe someone here has some secret sauce they know about but for me knowing my house will be a decent resell when I am 60-70 and will have not paid some landlord for an apartment I don't own; I can sleep very well at night.
Living alone & friendless in a cheap house in the middle of nowhere America sounds like a sure recipe for suicide, though I guess if you spend your whole day working to pay the mortgage and working to customize and improve the house, you can ignore the existential issues for a while. Personally, I'd rather live in hotels for $6000/year. They are comfy and worry-free; I can enjoy the amenities of urban living as well.
And no, housing is not automatically a good financial investment anywhere you go. Many shrinking regions of America are a buyer's market only. However, good fertile land, a solid home, and dependable neighbors is definitely a good investment if you expect a coming collapse to force a return to self-sufficiency.
>Dark blue means fastest growing. Dark yellow means fastest shrinking in population.
How old is that chart because California lost a shit ton of people throughout covid. >Living alone & friendless in a cheap house in the middle of nowhere America sounds like a sure recipe for suicide
Great projecting there anon glad you already have no idea what your talking about. Yeah if I never went to the gym after work, out to some bars on a weekend, didn't participate in any events around town, or have hobbies I'd probably also hate it. I don't think most people here are looking to move into Liberty Kansas or some sub 10k village. >you can ignore the existential issues for a while. Personally, I'd rather live in hotels for $6000/year.
Didn't know owning a house instantly meant you can't have any travel, why not do what many others have done and gotten a room mate to keep eyes on things+pay the bills+side money. I'm fairly certain other anons have mentioned something similar ITT. > However, good fertile land, a solid home, and dependable neighbors is definitely a good investment if you expect a coming collapse to force a return to self-sufficiency.
In a house all I need to worry about is my personal property tax at the end of the year which really isn't that much.
If the economy tanks I only have to worry about that+ utilities, which really isn't that much all things considered. Appose to an apartment where you may need proof of income to even house yourself+absurd monthly costs. Not ideal for an economic down turn.
>And no, housing is not automatically a good financial investment anywhere you go.
No one ever said this but generally compared to the rate of inflation it is, especially if you can pay off the house quickly. It will only out pace inflation in the long haul unless you buy in some shithole like Little Rock.
The women are mostly ugly and have personality disorders. I will add that the general public in most mid-west cities are the most unlikeable anywhere.
On the one side, you have the poor trashy whites including drug addicts, homeless, juggalos, scam artists, wannabe biker boomers who live in trailer parks, and the most delusional lowest class leftist tools in the country outside the west coast.
Then you have all the worst most dangerous blacks in the country in the sketchiest hoods one can possibly fathom.
On the other hand, you have pretentious and extremely rude millennials who think they know everything, overly judgy and uptight unwarranted superiority complex middle class in the suburbs and smaller cities, and rich farmers who are subsidized by the government and involved in corruption with local politicians.
Somewhere in the middle you have these really strange attempts at regional culture which seem like parodies of other US states until you realize they're actually serious. And the people involved or attached to any of this fake culture are weird as shit and can't even be trusted >Michigan viking hoax culture >"Yoopers" >Minnesota nice folx >Paul Bunyan shit >Iowans in general >Indiana rednecks
Avoid all these people and the entire midwest, if possible
Minnesotans are so autistic sometimes. they won't even speak to you if they think they're better than you. They'll just fricking stare if you say hello. It's weird.
yeah the nordic-german autism and wokeness has been a fatal combo for the midwestern white woman. they have lost their fricking minds. all women are like this to an extent these days in America but at least on the coasts they're still attractive. in the midwest they're just fat pseudo-lesbians
The South has way more jobs, lower taxes, better food, better weather, and friendlier people.
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Cope. The Midwest is peak burgerpunk despairporn doomer aesthetic at it’s finest. Some slightly less shitty but still very boring pockets don’t change that. In the future there will be a Chinese bald and bankrupt streamer walking around the Midwest talking to old lot lizards instead of bubushkas but unlike Bald he’ll probably be killed in action. Also your muh white shit is moronic. Midwestern whites who don’t leave are some of the lowest quality people the world has to offer. Anyone worth anything leaves ASAP. Also, imagine cherrypicking and selling the region with Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, and Gary as muh white, lmao
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There he is, rent free. You never even try to counter any of my points other than saying “you’re not white” like some 2016 wignat caricature.
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Having grown up there, this is 100% spot on.
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Based and expat-pilled. I’m also from the US and left the shithole US for greener pastures. Best decision I ever made. If you can work remote from the US, outside of being farther from family, there is basically zero downside to leaving. Better women, better food, better architecture, and more freedom. This goes for most places outside the anglosphere.
I think you midwesterners are too hard on yourselves. I'm a 'fornian that moved here and even if what you say might be true, a lot of it applies to everywhere, as in, the whole country is pretty fricked in the same ways the midwest is. The south is mostly worse. Americans shit on each other or themselves regionally, but everywhere has basketballer issues.
>Indiana rednecks
Lol from Indiana and can confirm. They call us the south of the Midwest and it's true. People here fly more Confederate flags and have dumb fricking accents than bumfrick Alabama. I swear the rural idiots in this state are some of the lowest class people you will ever meet.
That being said southern Indiana isn't too bad if you know where to live. We've got nice forests and low taxes.
Northern Indiana is a flat wasteland though.
Born and raised in Iowa and went to University in Minnesota. This post went too soft on the Midwest. It's far worse than anyone could imagine.
Growing up we were so bored the towns youth would drive through the city center called "scooping the loop". It's just aimlessly driving in circles for hours on end until something happened.
As an adult there are almost zero professional job opportunities outside of the small big cities.
I'm so fricking glad I left. I now live in Germany and will forever.
Think of the my boring place on earth and it doesn't even come close to how boring the Midwest actually is. I'll specifically speak to Iowa, but everywhere is not far off.
There is never anything to do. The land is completely flat. In winter it's fricking cold, as cold or colder than Siberia. But Siberia has a beautiful countryside (I've been). Iowa has nothing. Most trees are planted by farm houses to keep the wind from blowing away their place. In summer it's fricking way too hot outside because it's so humid and miserable from all the corn. Not like there's anything to do though. What small lakes they do have are filled with lake homosexuals who think they are better than you since they own a cottage on a lake that gets sewage leakage from the city (Clear Lake).
Everyone is fricking fat too. Going to Iowa State can be summed up to my experience of going to a local bar. I saw two girls surrounded by 20 dudes all trying to get their attention. It was pathetic. I even called a fat girl fat in high school and all the girls of my class black listed me from dating. I didn't even realize why until years after graduation.
I honestly thought I was an incel until I left and found out I wasn't. The South really is better.
Eastern Iowa is filled with people fleeing Chicago (black and White). They bring their moronic mentally with them.
There is literally nothing to do in Iowa. Absolutely nothing.
Professional jobs are all locked in at Des Moines or Cedar Falls. Their communities are small and everyone knows everyone. Don't like how your employer treated you? you'll be black listed as everyone knows everyone.
>Women are fat
Stop going to Texas Roadhouse thinking that's where all the hot babes hang out. >all the people are black
Stop going to the shittiest bars and cheapest haircut places in the south part of town across the tracks. If there isn't a BBQ place but a Seafood place instead, you're in the wrong area >All the crime
Stop living in the income restricted housing or in the downtown parts of the city >people do drugs!
yeah and those people often keep far far away from you and can be spotted a literal mile away unlike SanFran where it's just another street corner >the people aren't fun
Unless you have an actual social life of 0 and only want to talk about crypto+cooming, the midwest is filled with a bunch of people with different hobbies and often friendly
>this entire post >Professional jobs are all locked in at Des Moines or Cedar Falls
Anon most people here aren't discussing living in Mt Pleasant Iowa where unless you grew up there is frick all to do other than frick and drink. I think it's fair to say anyone discussing living in the midwest is going to choose to live around a city with at least a population of 50k, and bigger cities living on the out parts of town. No one here is actively thinking of buying the farm just yet.
I like the Midwest because I can leave for 6-8 months overseas then come back and not have to constantly worry if my place was visited by squatters or "urban youth" during my leave. All while paying a fraction of the cost of living on the coast like I grew up on.
>live near a bigger city >don't be near blacks
uh anon?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Read the post you replied to. Most midwest cities are still very segregated to this day, it's vastly different compared to LA, NYC, Etc where you get a mix in every neighborhood. If you're incapable of doing any research or knowing the term "wrong side of the tracks", you're hopeless.
>I like the Midwest because I can leave for 6-8 months
that is exactly what you said you gaslighting midwestern homosexual.
I live in a place I never want to leave, the Swiss Alps.
No shit, where was anyone actively saying it was better than the Swiss Alps. Why are you even bothering in this thread? That's like going "Yeah well LA isn't like living in Tokyo. LA is so fricking dirty!". Obviously the midwest isn't the crowning holy land of people to live in, though compared to much of the places to live in the USA it's very appeasing to those wanting stability and afordability.
Grats you live in the Alps there buddy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Pro tip, you can live anywhere in the world you want and you choose the Midwest. lmao.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Most midwest cities are still very segregated to this day, it's vastly different compared to LA, NYC, Etc where you get a mix in every neighborhood.
Midwest isn't different in this regards, all cities are heavily segregated especially LA and NYC. I've lived in 13 different cities all of the country and without fail people of different racial/ethnic/economic background segregate into their own respective communities.
3 months ago
Anonymous
> all cities are heavily segregated especially LA and NYC
HAHAHAHAHAHA
3 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't it surprising how real life contradicts media narrative?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Trying way too hard or you've clearly never been to either the midwest or those cities. LA and NYC have minorities living next to your average white family unless you're very very well off to near gated level communities or communities with such HOA's the become almost near gated. In the midwest say, St. Cloud, Fargo, Springfield OH, Green Bay, or Lincoln; you have one side of the tracks and the other. Most the cities I listed you can get decent paying jobs with a very favorable income to cost of living.
The Mexicans and Blacks, almost always funnel to their neighborhoods or select corners of the area.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Trying way too hard or you've clearly never been to either the midwest or those cities
He's way more right than you are. You're being very careless with language in particular counting any level of mixing at all as "not segregated" which hasn't been a meaningful metric since the 60s while carelessly comparing massive cities with a 50k exurb of Dayton.
The main difference in the midwest is that there are fewer non-blacks or non-mestizos that aren't white Christians (or ex-christians).
3 months ago
Anonymous
Forgot pic. >LA and NYC have minorities living next to your average white family
Just not the case. At least not in a meaningfully ethnic way. Minorities do successfully integrate into white communities but there's usually only a few that are really a full mixture.
Boston is a good example there, where you have a diversitopia in Cambridge, where Harvard and MIT recruit from all over the world regardless of race or ethnicity and you wind up with a very filtered, select population but a diverse ethnic makeup. Walk around Harvard Square and you'll see Arabs and Africans and Chinese and Slavs and Nords and Anglos and Meds and Latin Americans all mingling together. But walk about four miles to the southeast and you'll either be in Black Dorchester or Irish Southie. Go southwest and you'll find yourself in Brookline and Newton which is dominated by israelites along with Whites and successful Asians. You'll find close to zero blacks in Newton.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Boston is a unique case. There's no other place in the US I'm aware of that still has an "irish" neighborhood.
In LA, btw, what's happened over the last 30 years is neighborhoods have become black AND mexican OR asian AND white.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>There's no other place in the US I'm aware of that still has an "irish" neighborhood.
Doesn't really change the point that the Cambridge-style high-diversity mix is the exception to the rule. Even ruling out Southie or counting it as white (a good number of non-Irish whites live there), there's an obvious divide between white and black zones, with a couple of Hispanic zones thrown in for good measure (Chelsea, Lynn, Lawrence, etc). Most areas are white with a smattering of minorities. Pretty similar to the midwest. >black AND mexican OR asian AND white
You can see that trend in the NY Times NYC map somewhat also, though it's more complex. Which is part of the problem trying to compare NYC to the midwest. Because with NYC you have 20 million people crammed into the metro area, what counts as a distinct neighborhood tends to be a little different from some midwestern exurbs. 50k people is handful of blocks in NY, where it's a whole city in rural midwest.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Pic related is becoming more and more a self-fulfilling prophecy by the day.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Trying way too hard or you've clearly never been to either the midwest or those cities
He's way more right than you are. You're being very careless with language in particular counting any level of mixing at all as "not segregated" which hasn't been a meaningful metric since the 60s while carelessly comparing massive cities with a 50k exurb of Dayton.
The main difference in the midwest is that there are fewer non-blacks or non-mestizos that aren't white Christians (or ex-christians).
Anon your map literally proves you wrong... Those green dots next to a bunch of black/hispanic dots all the fricking over. This doesn't even show the homeless either.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Those green dots next to a bunch of black/hispanic dots all the fricking ove
They aren't, though. It's the exception to the rule in all cases. You'll find lots of hispanics and whites living near each other in the midwest, too. It's just that there are fewer hispanics on average (though that is changing). The NYC map mostly solid greens or green+red, solid blues and solid oranges.
Again part of the problem is with your really stupid definitions of segregation that somehow think that a hispanics living next to whites in neighborhood transition areas in NY City means there aren't massive patterns of segregation that are far more dominant as it relates to the actual experience of people living there.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're trying too hard to fit in.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>ll cities are heavily segregated especially LA
NTA but I live in LA and that's not true. I live in the basin near the coast in a very good neighborhood (mostly white and asian) and there's STILL Black person gang crime that occurs a few blocks away at a local mall. I watched a group of "youths" rob a chick fil a across the street from where I work a few weeks ago. While yes there are cities and city parts that are "very diverse" and are concentrated shitholes the gangs spread out here and have a hold in most cities, even the good ones.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I used to live in LA. Walk around a hispanic neighborhood in Baldwin Park as the wrong shade of brown and try not get get jumped. Just because you live a neighborhood with a minority of people who are okay living next to people of different racial and ethnic backgrounds, doesn't it make it the norm.
>If there isn't a BBQ place but a Seafood place instead, you're in the wrong area
What is it with blacks and seafood? I’ve noticed a ton of those restaurants in the hood. It’s like the new fried chicken or something.
I live out in the country west of Des Moines. I have timber and pasture. I have a few small towns around me that are OK. I can be in downtown Des Moines in about a half hour.
I went to U of I in Iowa City and the girls were hot. I had a great time. I never really like Ames either though. Clear Lake is a cool town but the lake sucks. I have been giung to Okoboji all my life and it is a nice lake. Too many ultra wealthy people are ruining it now. We also go to Prairie du Chien in the fall. Thats Wisconsin but right on the border. The drive there is incredibly boring.
Overall I like it but winter sucks. If I ever retire I will buy a condo in Arizona and never see winter again
>If I ever retire I will buy a condo in Arizona and never see winter again
Good luck, and also we get Winters out here. The valley has mild winters but we still get decently cold. Hope you can afford it though, the TSMC plants and Silicon Valley companies jumping ship to build here are driving prices through the roof.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I went to Phoenix last January and stayed in a nice townhouse woth about 500k in Dedert Ridge. The weather was perfect. My wife knows the townhouse owner. Too big of a city though
3 months ago
Anonymous
I went to Phoenix last January and stayed in a nice townhouse woth about 500k in Dedert Ridge. The weather was perfect. My wife knows the townhouse owner. Too big of a city though
Arizona is amazing in the winter. IDK what you're talking about because 60 degrees and sunny and is amazing its hilarious to see the AZ natives bundled up in parkas and ugg boots. Even if the temps dip to freezing at night its very nice just wear a coat. Prescott even is beautiful in the winter, not too cold with a little snow sometimes.
The only thing that sucks is how WINDY it gets and blows dust around.
And yeah the cost of living got out of hand. AZ was amazing 10 years ago because it was like 1/4 the price of living in CA but paid almost the same and now its almost the same cost.
> I can be in downtown Des Moines in about a half hour.
Then you're too close, plus that's impossible with all the traffic. Imagine a city having 200,000 people but still having terrible traffic. It took me an hour each way to drive from Grimes to downtown Des Moines. There is fricking nothing in Des Moines btw.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Im close to I80. If I were to drive through town it would take over an hour. We do lots of stuff with friends like dinner parties. I also golf. We have rented hotel rooms and went bar hopping in East Village. If I had no friends I would probably hate it
3 months ago
Anonymous
Wow dinner parties?! hold on a moment that's the best! That certainly beats hiking in the Alps!
>200k >nothing to do
anon, the problem might be (you)
yeah you're right I was missing out on all the dinner parties and golf. how could I be so silly.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Either you're very introverted and don't know how to have fun or you need to be force fed information to have fun. I can see why you don't have fun.
>I like the midwest because I can leave
Fantastic argument
Lmao that's not what I said, this is a travel board remember? I like I can have equity and something to come home to that is a long term investment for me. It's going to exceed what people who currently only to IRA's or other shit like "muh 4%" meme are now behind in. Land and property ownership is still amongst the most solid out there, not to mention a possible passive income should you lease some rooms out.
Even if I was back out west living in AZ I'd just be losing money when I take 6-8 months off to go abroad for a while. The housing market out there was completely fricked by covid and HOA's, not a thing in in most the midwest. HOA's don't have to be enforced to keep out "those people".
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I like the Midwest because I can leave for 6-8 months
that is exactly what you said you gaslighting midwestern homosexual.
I live in a place I never want to leave, the Swiss Alps.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Where did you come from and how did you end up living in the Swiss Alps? What do you do there now?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Either you're very introverted and don't know how to have fun or you need to be force fed information to have fun. I can see why you don't have fun.
you're right. what was I thinking. Zombie Burger really is peak living, same with HessenHaus.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Don't forget to get tickets to the bacon fest! all the bacon you can eat if you pay $150!
3 months ago
Anonymous
When I was younger all I wanted to do was go out and have frunken 1 night stands. Now I like to hang out with my friends. We do lots of couple stuff with them. If you dont have people you enjoy, I dont know what to tell you
3 months ago
Anonymous
Holy shit you're boring.
3 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but I like to take a laid back and cheap life style with good friends, I travel so much during the year it's nice to just sit and collect my thoughts. Coming back to the US after about 7 months abroad it's nice to just hang out with friends, catch up on things, not have to deal with tons of BS, say hello to the bartenders I haven't seen in a while, share stories, etc.
Pro tip, you can live anywhere in the world you want and you choose the Midwest. lmao.
I've lived in tokyo and Korea in my 20's, I've lived in some of the top 5 cities in the US as well, I regularly travel abroad since I work remotely. Having a house and property I know that is outpacing inflation and increasing in value is nice. At least my town of 275k doesn't shut down because riots as some druggie got arrested by cops, frick the west coast so fricking hard.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the Midwest is so good I have to be gone from it for the majority of the year.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You come across like you would be miserable anywhere and make those around you miserable
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, this is a travel board. I travel for work, it's fairly smart to invest in property in a state where there is no state income tax+low cost of living and just max your savings. Having equity is pretty invaluable especially if your remote job gets axed in a round of layoffs. I could basically just go home and with my savings basically live for a few years doing piss all till I found another remote gig.
You do you anon, it isn't a dick measuring contest.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Iowa has some of the highest fricking taxes in America you larping homosexual
3 months ago
Anonymous
>thread is about the midwest >WELL IOWA HAS BAD TAX RATES!!!
And Indiana has some of the best real estate tax rates out there as well as pretty reasonable income tax rates. Hell some of those states have no state income tax and fairly reasonable real estate taxes. North and South Dakota don't even have state income tax IIRC.
Thought this was about the Midwest not single state talk?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I can't keep you fat fricks straight, sorry but this board needs IDs
3 months ago
Anonymous
I said a state with no state income tax, Iowa has state income tax. Not hard to at least have some reading comprehension here anon. I thought you knew what the midwest was like but you don't even know their basic taxes? At least try to be knowledgeable about the states there anon. This place doesn't need ID's because then we'd see your obsessive shitposting in this thread, which isn't that hard to figure out anyways.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you for the perfect demonstration of how insufferable Midwesterners are.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>says a bunch of shit about the midwest that's all Cali-tier brain >gets told wrong during rampid shitposting >F-FRICKING MIDWESTERNERS
3 months ago
Anonymous
New Yorker here, you're the biggest homosexual in the thread by far.
3 months ago
Anonymous
And the cost of land / housing is stupid cheap, so it really doesn't matter. You can grab a <100k house in Cedar rapids IA, that's for this board +75% white, it doesn't matter. You're still paying far less than the morons who buy a 350k+ housing in Cali that might get you 900 sq ft, with a "lower tax bracket" per year on your property.
Hell with 120-150k, if you bought a house around Dayton OH or St. Cloud MN. The market is so cheap that the big "Uhhh tax bros?" it really doesn't matter unless you're planning to actively go NEET mode. This board and biz fail to also realize cost of living being a huge factor, where in the midwest you're cost of living and goods is often far lower than states with the lowest property tax.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Actually nvm looked up the unemployment+EBT/SNAP for those states, even if you became a lazy NEET you'd still be making it pretty good with enough to pay yearly property tax with ease.
3 months ago
Anonymous
3 months ago
Anonymous
I just bought a house in a Cedar Rapids suburb for $300k in the richest school district and an established neighborhood, plus I grew up here
I can tell you the area that the house in your picture is in is the most ghetto part of Cedar Rapids. Low income apartments, urban youths running around everywhere, loud music all the time, businesses in disrepair. That area was far enough inland to not be flooded in 2008 so there's no excuse
I hate when I have to go downtown because the only way there is 1st Avenue, right past that area. Bums crossing the street when they please, weed in the air, stoplights every block
Honestly I hate downtown Cedar Rapids and I spend as much time away from it as possible
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I spent more money and got something better
Amazing anon, I think the point was more to say that you get more for your money in the midwest than you can in coastal cities. Anyone buying a <100k house that isn't looking to flip it or has a remote job just wanting to min/max their lifestyle; might want to rethink their investment.
>Bums crossing the street when they please, weed in the air, stoplights every block
Compared to the shit I have to deal with in my city that's literally peaceful. Personally I'd just buy something closer to the city limits with some breathing space but that's a personal choice.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Looking up city-data and crime stats it's still far lower than anything that I live by. I would be paying 600k+ with an HOA to have those crime stats even remotely similar. 80k is a fricking steal
3 months ago
Anonymous
Didn’t Saint Floyd die in Minneapolis?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>200k >nothing to do
anon, the problem might be (you)
>Most trees are planted by farm houses to keep the wind from blowing away their place. >two girls surrounded by 20 dudes all trying to get their attention.
Hurts just a little
I live out in the country west of Des Moines. I have timber and pasture. I have a few small towns around me that are OK. I can be in downtown Des Moines in about a half hour.
I went to U of I in Iowa City and the girls were hot. I had a great time. I never really like Ames either though. Clear Lake is a cool town but the lake sucks. I have been giung to Okoboji all my life and it is a nice lake. Too many ultra wealthy people are ruining it now. We also go to Prairie du Chien in the fall. Thats Wisconsin but right on the border. The drive there is incredibly boring.
Overall I like it but winter sucks. If I ever retire I will buy a condo in Arizona and never see winter again
>I went to U of I in Iowa City and the girls were hot. I had a great time.
Smart man.
Iowa has some of the highest fricking taxes in America you larping homosexual
>Iowa has some of the highest fricking taxes in America
Unfortunately he's right but passed legislation has that burden being reduced starting in 2024.
And the cost of land / housing is stupid cheap, so it really doesn't matter. You can grab a <100k house in Cedar rapids IA, that's for this board +75% white, it doesn't matter. You're still paying far less than the morons who buy a 350k+ housing in Cali that might get you 900 sq ft, with a "lower tax bracket" per year on your property.
Hell with 120-150k, if you bought a house around Dayton OH or St. Cloud MN. The market is so cheap that the big "Uhhh tax bros?" it really doesn't matter unless you're planning to actively go NEET mode. This board and biz fail to also realize cost of living being a huge factor, where in the midwest you're cost of living and goods is often far lower than states with the lowest property tax.
>You can grab a <100k house in Cedar rapids IA, that's for this board +75% white
Avoid CR and just move to Marion... 95% white
MIdwest requires a car meaning it's off the table. Yeah it's cheaper but >600/mo lease something >300/mo insurance >500/mo gas (if lucky)
Nah at least here in Seattle I can walk to the store and back without spending an hour to do so. It's literally just down stairs lol
>MIdwest requires a car meaning it's off the table. Yeah it's cheaper but
lease something
Who in the frick leases a car in 2024. Also auto insurance is about $85/mo on my 2020 Acadia.
Finland is just like the Midwest then. Young guys in small towns do the exact same thing called a “kylärinki” where they just aimlessly drive back and forth in the tiny little center of their town in cars or mopeds hoping something interesting is happening. Chatting with some drunk old man smoking a cigarette is usually the highlight of the afternoon. I’d still take that over living near “diversity”.
Finland, Swedish and Norweigan culture heavily influenced the area of the US known as the "upper midwest" which includes states such as Minnesota and Wisconsin.
the. midwest was tolerable when you could buy a house for 40k. it's a cultural dead zone with miserable people all the shitty factories and food processing plants employee illegals.
it's OK if you want to live in peace and raise a family but it's miserable if you're a single person that wants to meet people and enjoy cultural offerings. people are afraid of strangers and don't wanna talk to you unless they know you work for the church.
You can still get a house easily for <80k that's a 2br/1ba, might be pushing it for a 3BR unless you want to put some elbow grease into it or willing to make some sacrifices on location. >people are afraid of strangers and don't wanna talk to you unless they know you work for the church.
LOL not even, it's just that's one of the most easiest places to socialize in some places. Unless you're incapable of going to the bar and introducing yourself during a sports game and holding a conversation that isn't about women and cooming; it should be easy.
If you're willing to just sit and listen to people actively tell you every part about their society, which they will, you'll make friends and acquaintances very easily.
>LOL not even, it's just that's one of the most easiest places to socialize in some places.
no i live in central indiana and it fricking sucks.people are 100% afraid of strangers the natives are mouth breathing rubes. i hate it here. starting a business i can get away from is a major life regret.
Pretty accurate from my experience. I lived in Minnesota for two years and the only thing I'll add is the amount of beautiful blonde girls that tan super well once the summer finally hits is really nice. I would meet strangers at the gas station or grocery store who would just want to talk about their weekend. Super friendly people but I lived in a nice area. Worst part were the Somalians. They all have no jaw and stink so they're pretty miserable to be around. All in all I would live there if I had to but it's so flat and depressing 8-9 months of the year. Literally nothing to do but lake activities and drink outdoors. Or just drive around the fields I guess.
I live in Minnesota, lived here my entire life, I am beyond bored of this place, sick of the cold, the fat c**ty women, somalis, etc, the rest of the midwest also seems pretty boring with the exception of Chicago, any suggestions to move a new place? Thinking Florida, Arizona, Cali, Texas, or just live outside the us would be the ideal solution, it is becoming unbearable here.
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With one caveat; white flight from decaying inner cities will not show up on the county level, so a growing metro region often does have a shithole at its center.
This map reveals just how much of the Midwest has no significant minority population, especially when compared to other regions of America.
I'm planning on taking my camper minivan around the Midwest this summer, after returning from six months in Asia.
If global warming could hit that’d be great, I’d be fine with 0 all winter or even -10/20 without the wind
this winter wasn’t too bad though tbh we got lucky
>canada or russia at negative 50
:O >ND negative 50
🙁
It really only dips that cold in the tundra places where there is nothing to stop the wind and even then, you know that shit's coming and plan for it. Hell most apartments and condo's out here are required to pay for heating the building due to some extremes in winter. Those -50F things last for a few hours if that long, usually around 3-4am and then go back up. Still cold shit during a blizzard but complaining about cold in winter is lol.
The best parts of the midwest are the community, immigrants to the US not being nogs on welfare, schools not suffering from "highschoolers shouldn't do math because das racis", people who won't spout tons of bullshit because in the big city they don't have to back shit up, and low cost of living with decent jobs. I live in fargo and sure, not seeing the mountains each morning is a bit of a bummer but honestly I forgot about it all the time. Being able to walk home from the bar at night without needing to question if I need a gun or pocket knife is good enough for me.
Oh yeah, and being able to take home most my paycheck rather than dump it into rent is really nice.
Most of middle America (apart from Colorado) is dull. The American heartland does not have a leisure culture; leisure happens with friends & family at home, not downtown. Most towns are very lifeless, with people only coming into town to do business, and that rarely on Main Street these days. The Midwest is the only region of America that I haven't explored in all my years of wandering around America. But some parts of the Midwest are quite appealing, so I'd like to visit them just as the warm summertime weather arrives and everyone heads outside to have fun. Some of the more appealing towns have more of a fitness culture, with greenway trails and good public parks.
It's not all like that. Simply look at which parts of the region are growing; those are the desirable parts. The shrinking towns and cities are either sad & lifeless or shitholes, if there is a significant black population.
Seems people are moving to warmer climates besides moving for jobs and better landscapes.
Most people moved because jobs went remote or finally had an excuse to GTFO of Cali. Seriously that state lost a metric frick ton of business and people as everyone moved to cheaper and actually greener pastures.
The larger cities in the mid-west are filled with poor blacks and have serious violent crime problems. Chicago, St Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, Kansas City, Little Rock Arkansas, Tulsa, Rockford Illinois, Kalamazoo, Milwaukee, South Bend, Cincinnati, Flint, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Lansing, Akron, Toledo, Dayton, Peoria, Witchita, and Springfield Missouri all routinely rank among the top 25 most violent cities in the US.
Besides the crime, there aren't a lot of good national parks. A giant glacier flattened the entire place 10,000 years ago, so there aren't any mountains, and therefore no skiing to enjoy during the terrible winters. It's so flat that storms are really bad and they get tornadoes. Truthfully, the only large mid-west city worth visiting is Chicago. The first time I drove across country, I planned to stop at the St Louis arch, but when I pulled off the highway, it was so ghetto that I didn't even slow down. I just got back on the highway and kept driving.
No one smart in the midwest lives in those insanely segregated spots of the city. Something people from the west coast always forget is the white flight that happened and racks those numbers in to the city names. Most always the people in those crime areas don't leave their areas and you know just not to go into them. If you have rolled a 0 perception in life then you're going to find out the hard way.
> therefore no skiing to enjoy during the terrible winters
Damn, sucks people literally can't get on a plane and fly somewhere. Also Black Hills SD would like a word with you.
This. Milwaukee, for instance, is half black but has Jim crow-tier segregation. The blacks live north and west of the interstate and you can buy a 2-3BR house there for $50-100k. They have a gunshot detection network wired in those neighborhoods and there are probably 5 shootings reported every night. East of the interstate and 5 miles from the city is almost all White and some of the best bang for your buck in the US. The aggregate stats keep out coastal morons (who never learning their lesson would be aghast to learn if such segregation anyway)
>The aggregate stats keep out coastal morons (who never learning their lesson would be aghast to learn if such segregation anyway)
The situation is quite similar on the coast most of the time. The larger cities and greater concentration of Asians muddies things a bit but you can see clearly from the map of NYC posted up in the thread(
https://i.imgur.com/kgVHmOS.jpg
Forgot pic. >LA and NYC have minorities living next to your average white family
Just not the case. At least not in a meaningfully ethnic way. Minorities do successfully integrate into white communities but there's usually only a few that are really a full mixture.
Boston is a good example there, where you have a diversitopia in Cambridge, where Harvard and MIT recruit from all over the world regardless of race or ethnicity and you wind up with a very filtered, select population but a diverse ethnic makeup. Walk around Harvard Square and you'll see Arabs and Africans and Chinese and Slavs and Nords and Anglos and Meds and Latin Americans all mingling together. But walk about four miles to the southeast and you'll either be in Black Dorchester or Irish Southie. Go southwest and you'll find yourself in Brookline and Newton which is dominated by israelites along with Whites and successful Asians. You'll find close to zero blacks in Newton.
) that blue zones remain quite distinct from the green zones.
I think one difference is that unlike what that anon linked, the segregation in midwest cities keep the most shit in those "wrong side of the tracks". Where as in Chicago, NYC, LA, etc all the shit spills over into your neighbor there where as in smaller cities and towns that shit is almost 100% silo'd into their shit zones. Cops tend to know everyone and what's going on in these smaller midwest towns; the same goes for the people knowing who's who.
Growing up in a similarly sized metro along the coast of VA we still have stupid shit all over, moving to the midwest? Never have to wonder what parts of towns are sketch or not, you just fricking know in about a day what the lay of the land is.
I always find it funny when my friends visit me in the midwest and fail to understand this, it's how to tell so many coasties who've never lived in the midwest are up in arms. Most will stick into a small neighborhood or be situated around the college if there is one in town; which generally the college will make up most the % of said towns ethic groups in that case.
>but there still is nothing to DO!
If you've lived in a smaller city, outer metro, or large-ish town; it's really not hard to be social and make connections faster than the cities I've found. At least I don't constantly have to wonder what the person saying to me is bullshit talk vs actual down to earth conversation. That's probably the worst shit about cities is how literally everyone's made it so big but still get pissy at their bar tab after drinking PBR.
>A giant glacier flattened the entire place 10,000 years ago, so there aren't any mountains, and therefore no skiing to enjoy > filled with poor blacks and have serious violent crime problems. > it was so ghetto >skiing
Summer is best in Milwaukee >Food scene underrated >Low COL >Tons of festivals, come to Summerfest >Best concert crowds in the world, ask your favorite band >Beautiful lakefront >World-class museum and opera >German restaurants and bars >Day-drinking is normal life, some jobs still allow you to drink at lunch
>It’s the most American part of America
fun fact: most wild west stories happened between the rockies and mississippi. >Jesse James >Bill Hickok >Doc Holiday >Nathaniel Reed >Jim Younger >William Brooks
all these lived/worked in the midwest
crime and degeneracy has always existed in the midwest, what we see today is nothing new. >Bonnie and Clyde
The Midwest was once totally smooth. No friction at all. There were many Native American tribes that met their end by slipping and sliding all the way to the Rocky Mountains, where they crashed and were broken against the rocks. European explorers largely met the same fate, until Lewis and Clark personally planted 5 trillion square miles of cornfield to give the land friction. The work was hard, and there were many Native American tribes that tried to stop them from sealing the land beneath corn, but they eventually made it. The skinwalkers adapted, as they always will. They learned to camouflage themselves and hunt the settlers that build their homes from the corn. Those that escaped the yellow fields were recruited into the CIA and FBI.
The government doesn't want you to know this. They're trying to suppress the real history of our homeland.
There's a number of reasons, but mainly because they make for a good oblivious punching bag with no ammo. The South insulting "Yankies" doesn't work so good when the Mid-Altantic/New England is obviously more successful than them in most pursuits. Therefore, going after the humbler Yankee states makes more sense. The Mountain States can go after them because mountains are more titilating to the 90% than wetlands and fields. The West Coast can go after them because Indiana is a reverse California in every way that matters, even when you compare rural parts. New England can go after them because despite having the same "vibe" as Pennsylvania, they aren't 350 year old states.
Lastly, the Midwest doesn't care about state competition so they won't really hit back. This is all avoiding the obvious race resentment angle, but that's often unconscious.
>The South insulting "Yankies" doesn't work so good when the Mid-Altantic/New England is obviously more successful than them in most pursuits. >New England can go after them because despite having the same "vibe" as Pennsylvania, they aren't 350 year old states.
Southern boy here. Yankeegays are too far up their own ass to think that being a 350 year old state matters worth a damn.
Yeah it’s cool to go visit and see colonial shit but it does nothing to improve your quality of life to know that they landed on some rock hundreds of years ago.
Doomerism is a Midwestern invention. Europeans fled the 19th century revolutions for a place where they could live their simple lives in peace. The road to success was paved with the fear of God, the dignity of hard work, and the avoidance of vice. These attitudes are ingrained in the young Midwesterner from youth by simply breathing the humid air, and this ideology persists through generations. Even the seemingly anti-Midwestern Woke mind virus has mutated to take on this Midwestern Doomerism: Fear of God replaced by fear of social judgment, the dignity of hard work replaced by the compulsion to protest publicly and loudly and persistently, the avoidance of vice in the form of self-flagellation for not being a pious enough globohomosexual ... there is much to be said about the Midwesterner that cannot be fit into a single post, but much of it remains undiscovered by outsiders due to our naturally laconic nature. The mysteries of the Midwestern temperament are for the Midwesterners alone to keep to themselves.
Nah we stick to ourselves because every fricking coastie has to tell us JUST HOW DIFFERENT EVERYTHING IS! DID YOU KNOW HOW MUCH X WOULD COST BACK HOME!?!?!? LOL!!!! then proceed to tell us how they are "JUST LIKE YOU GUYS MAN I LOVE NATURE AND SHIT THAT'S WHY I'M FROM LA!"
It has more to do with the fact coasties try so damn hard to 'fit in' when they could simply just be themselves and shut up for 1 attosecond and think before talking. I'm fricking tired of hearing someone go LOL DUDE THESE PORTIONS ARE HUGE DID YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THIS WOULD COST BACK IN MY CITY? and other dumbfricking shit. Nothing gets under my skin more than meeting someone who works in tech as well and goes "bro with that kind of money you could live in LA!" yeah dude I can't wait to sit in traffic most the day to get to anything, or pay out the ass for shit, and do all the things you were just complaining about. Sure dude let me take my 100k/yr job to where I live as a king to live like a fricking poorgay in LA smog. Ahh true freedom! At least that view is nice!
The midwest sucks balls. The only reason to live here is because you can't afford to live somewhere else.
Of course, incels that sit at home on the computer all day are just fine with living in the midwest. If you don't go outside, it doesn't matter where you live.
Consider this fact: If you live in a LCOL area you have the potential to save more after every paycheck. If you really care a lot about traveling; you can then use said money for that activity. That's the advantage of living in the Midwest.
The Midwest fricking sucks. Anyone defending it was born there and will die there. I moved to Chicago 6 months ago. It’s a good city but outside of that, the Midwest is a wasteland. I gravitate towards places with outdoor access and it’s probably one of the worst places in the country for that. The girls I’ve dated here are funny. Moving to Chicago is the pinnacle of existence for them. They haven’t traveled much if at all, never mind living anywhere else. They are quite risk adverse. Not saying this is exclusive to the Midwest but has been a trend I’ve picked up on.
Because of the weather and lack of outdoors access, their “culture” is very consumer based. Heavy drinking and eating. I would not want to live here forever.
>it’s probably one of the worst places in the country for that.
Yep. They just don't get it. If you're born somewhere with big skies and mountains in at least one direction the midwest is just bleak as hell.
This leads to a general blandness among the population. Midwesterners are also easily impressed. Give them something that is banal in more interesting parts of the country but completely novel to them, like the In & Out secret menu (yes, this really happened) and they'll get on their phone to tell all their friends about it.
Nobody is disputing the fact that white people in the midwest are nice, inoffensive, great people to drink a beer with and unlikely to steal your bicycle. But the appeal of the region really ends there.
The big problem is that we need to make the rest of the country nice, inoffensive, great people to drink a beer with and unlikely to steal your bicycle, and we know that instead of that happening it will only get worse.
>I moved to Chicago 6 months ago. It’s a good city but outside of that, the Midwest is a wasteland.
Chicago is in the midwest idiot >They haven’t traveled much if at all, never mind living anywhere else.
And here I was thinking ORD was a major international airport... damn
I'm hoping you're euro or something and not really this unfamiliar with your own country.
The "mid-west" was named as in the early history of the country, the settled part of the country was the east coast states east of the Appalachian Range and west of those mountains, was the "west" which at the time, was the unsettled frontier. The mid-west was the middle area, just starting to be settled by whites, between the far west, that was still unsettled frontier west of the Rockies.
myself and my brother were born in raised in a city which i will not name but is very very famous and sought out for both for relocating and especially to travel to. for reasons related to work, my brother gets b***hslapped to obscure places to live temporarily for a couple years then moves. two of those places are grand rapids, MI and recently, omaha, NE. ive visited both long enough to get a feel for each place and here's my synopsis. they are basically the epitome of whats wrong with white culture/people/americlaps in general. its stale, stagnant, outdated, noncompetitive. they collectively default to conservatism on the premise that worked in the past, should work now. the result is a mind blowing level of the exact opposite of remarkableness. i have literally NEVER in my life, seen a situation where you can go downtown to a public space with dozens or HUNDREDS of people coming in and out and EVERYONE was wearing some combinations of dark/neurtral/earth toned pantagonia/colombia/north face puffy vests, fleeces, 1/2 zip downs, hiking pants, hiking boots, and NOTHING else. and i live in a city that gets cold enough in the winter to justify have dedicated winterwear. the level of conformity is mind boggling. what i just described was in grand rapids. now i visited omaha recently and the situation was much different. still a high level of 'standard midwest uniform' but there was far more variety. i feel most of the hate comes from the fact that they have to gall to take pride in ANYTHING. the same way the rednecks take pride in 'working and NOT being a fricking Black person', the only thing you have going for you is that you arent the fricking south and... nothing else.
/rant
Apart from tornadoes, Midwest is easily one of the most overpowered places for humans to live on the entire planet. Top-tier soil, plenty of water, many long navigable rivers, spacious, gentle terrain. Great for farming, manufacturing, and building homes. But it's not a very attractive place for SighSee tourism because
- Whites have only settled there for 200 years, so no ancient or medieval architecture to wank over.
- Few destitute girls for mutual exploitation.
- No scenic mountains, beaches, or similar natural tourist attractions. The best wilderness (northern Minnesota) is also the least typical of midwest, geographically.
- The gentle geography means there's not much need for creative urban designs.
- Extreme normalgay sports, food and religious culture.
- Trends in the last 25-50 years have been rough on the midwest--urban decay, white flight, globalization, loss of manufacturing, population drain (techies to Silicon Valley, cute girls to LA and NY City, and overall migration to nice weather sunbelt cities) and of course fentanyl.
>Define white in America.
Any European. >Swedes, Italians and Polish aren't White.
Yes they are, fricking cancerous European racial nitpicking. And I can even nitpick you harder why not distinguish between Northern and Southern Italians?
And in context it clearly doesn't matter, the point is that there's almost no meaningful pre-Columbian architecture in the Midwest. Land-bridge Americans were nomadic and did not build permanent settlements. And those that did, did not have advanced architecture. There are the mound-builders but that's about it and they were mostly gone before Euros arrived. Whites aren't the only race to have architecture (plenty of old architecture in China and India for example). But almost everything in the US Midwest was built there in the last 200 years by humans with European heritage.
In contrast, the iconic buildings in Red Square, Moscow were finished almost 500 years ago, just a few years after Columbus arrived in the Caribbean. Buildings in other European countries are much older than that.
>Yes they are, fricking cancerous European racial nitpicking. And I can even nitpick you harder why not distinguish between Northern and Southern Italians?
That's your definition as what counts as white. If you talked to an average American back in the 18th century, he'd tell you that the only people who count as white are the English, Dutch, and maybe the French.
Actually no one does. I live 15 minutes away from Aztalan. Often the only person there. Probably standing on the dead bodies of Red Bull, Big Head, and many more Chieftans. Saw a Bald eagle there the other year.
I like to imagine storming Blackhawk's clan here. No mercy.
't know about Native Mounds
I'm very familiar with the mounds in fact I thought I had mentioned them it looks like I accidentally edited it out.
Either way, Mississippian civilization was already disintegrating before Europeans arrived. The largest city, Cahokia, was abandoned a century before Columbus.
Contrast with Europe, where you have cities that have been in continuous habitation for over 2,000 years with surviving architecture to show for it. There are castles and palaces and cathedrals dating to Roman times and through the middle ages as kingdoms and empires rose and fell. The Byzantine empire might be gone but Hagia Sophia is still there. There are still castles in Prague though the Holy Roman Empire no longer exists. Republic of Venice is defunct but Venice itself is still there.
A handful of man-made hills in an already somewhat hilly landscape just don't compete with that as a tourist attraction.
The Midwest (and the Southwest too) is actually a hotbed for researching preagrarian and early agrarian societies. It's one of the few places agriculture emerged independently that didn't become urbanized and repeatedly destroyed in various wars, so the archeological record is fairly clean
Im not going to doxx myself in anyway but I live near a place that 8s famous for native american mounds. In a remote place of my familys property there is an obvious mound that is not natural with mature trees. A neighbor told us to keep it a secret because a few natives will try to claim it
Actually no one does. I live 15 minutes away from Aztalan. Often the only person there. Probably standing on the dead bodies of Red Bull, Big Head, and many more Chieftans. Saw a Bald eagle there the other year.
I like to imagine storming Blackhawk's clan here. No mercy.
I’ve lived through hurricanes and something about these Midwest tornadoes look terrifying. It’s demonic-looking the way they twist the sky into something scary.
MIdwest requires a car meaning it's off the table. Yeah it's cheaper but >600/mo lease something >300/mo insurance >500/mo gas (if lucky)
Nah at least here in Seattle I can walk to the store and back without spending an hour to do so. It's literally just down stairs lol
Midwest is GOAT if you're not an autistic introvert who thinks "they" are out for you. I'd be willing to bet most people here are IT dorks and could pick up a remote job that would have them living like a millionare and at that point why are you bothering with fatties. Keep in mind if you think the girls are porkers, the men in the midwest are making your 5/10 ass look like a 8 or 9/10 by default if you lack a beer gut and have a stable paycheck. Why you would be bothering complaining about fat b***hes is silly unless you think the roadside gas station bar next to TA's trucker stop. Want a real metric? Look at high school graduation rates compared to a city and midwest pop <300k place. The pay is good, the weather is fine(winter is winter), and the land is cheap. If I want to go to California for winter I would, or I could just fly to hawaii or Singapore and spend the winter there.It's not hard to get a ride into town for a flight.
I can't tell if this thread is trying to gatekeep westies out but holy shit I can tell the people who've been vs the people who haven't.
>the place with nothing to do, boring people, and drab weather is not good for autistic introverts >it’s actually the perfect environment for le social butterflies such as myself
Are you moronic
>Best place to be a fisherman? The desert. You will catch fish unless you’re a b***h.
Autistic introverts wouldn’t care and they wouldn’t meet good people elsewhere anyways, so might as well rot inside somewhere where it’s cheap
Anon this board is full of fricking autistic introverts who seriously care about so much shit they hear and want to experience that they spend thousands to fly to Asia to feel important.
>Autistic introverts wouldn’t care and they wouldn’t meet good people elsewhere anyways
Truth bomb for ya:
most the people on SighSee are huge losers. Most lie stating they some BS financial business that at the end of the day is just crypto winnings. They are super fricking nervous of forming a relationship where someone might put 2+2 together and realize they got jack shit going on. Oh frick that cute girl I saw at the bar last weekend is still here? SHIT PANTS! most SighSee wants is a pump and dump "well you see I am actually a multimillonaire back home" kinda BS life style. Going out and seeking relationships is hard and that's what midwest america is best known for.
Also the big appeal of owning a home you have to be responsible for and maintain scares most anons
Yes, I don’t want to invest time into a roastie prostitute who, best case scenario is faithful but still nags the shit out of me and I don’t want to own a home where I need to spend hours cursing because I don’t know how to fix the damn thing that’s broken that I am responsible for.
Im in Iowa and have plans tonight and upcoming weekends. Its nice to be able to drive where you want, park close and walk in and hang out with your friends
>Im in Iowa and have plans tonight and upcoming weekends. Its nice to be able to drive where you want, park close and walk in and hang out with your friends
I agree. Never worrying about parking is comfy. And you never have to pay for a monthly spot unless you work downtown.
Actually no one does. I live 15 minutes away from Aztalan. Often the only person there. Probably standing on the dead bodies of Red Bull, Big Head, and many more Chieftans. Saw a Bald eagle there the other year.
I like to imagine storming Blackhawk's clan here. No mercy.
Contrary to what that poster said, men here mog most of the country. This is heaven on earth for a femanon. Competition for slim pickens for the guys, is probably why a lot of hate. Money doesn't attract the women here as much.
I love Wisconsin. Chicago is awesome too. Other than women, we have a minority (black) problem that likes to do home invasions, car jackings, muggings, and ruin any cities public schools. Sigh, so close to perfection. I live in a little town in between Madison and Milwaukee. So, I get to visit, have fun. Then the best part, I get to go home. People don't even lock their doors here.
Culture: >2000s had a huge Ska/Punk scene in the suburbs of Chicago and Milwaukee >Midwest Emo is still popular to this day, some DJs here play only emo and it is wildly popular >Milwaukee has best concert/rave crowds in USA
History: >Blackhawk war was fought in Midwest, Lincoln was in the militia >In 1854, Republican party was born in Ripon, Wisconsin, due to it being the first publicized anti-slavery meeting to propose a new party >The Iron Brigade, also known as The Black Hats, Black Hat Brigade, Iron Brigade of the West, and originally King's Wisconsin Brigade was an infantry brigade in the Union Army of the Potomac during the American Civil War. Although it fought entirely in the Eastern Theater, it was composed of regiments from three Western states that are now within the region of the Midwest. Noted for its strong discipline, its unique uniform appearance and its tenacious fighting ability, the Iron Brigade suffered the highest percentage of casualties of any brigade in the war. Picrel. >In 1910 Wisconsin elected the first Socialist congressman, Victor Berger
>be midwest gay >buy picrel in full because of how cheap it is >taxes are about a bit high but only talking 1300 or so a year >plenty of things to do each weekend >the women I know aren't fat mostly because I don't hang out thinking I'll get something good by hanging out down at the Applebees >food is stupid cheap in summer thanks to all the farms, still cheapish throughout the year anyways >only have a car because buying a used one in the midwest is cheap got a honda Civic for ~3500 >friends with all my neighbors who help shovel snow from time to time >they watch over my house when I am gone pay their kid to mow my lawn while away >don't have to worry of porch pirates and can even leave my doors unlocked at night >crime is a thing in this city but you know the bad areas that are nest eggs because of section 8 >house and property just sitting there to accumulate wealth for me faster than inflation is happening >if a recession happens I can basically live at home for probably 5 or so years before I need a job >that amazing feel when I bank every paycheck I get essentially while I see people seethe on an anime board supposedly full of richgays who piss it away
I will never stop loving these threads of absolute seethe from coastal idiots. Most these posts seem to be by people who watched Trailer Park Boys not realizing that was in Canada. For a travel board you all really don't seem to do all that much outside complain about women and nogs. Why the frick are you guys putting yourselves in situations with minorities and fat women. Go to your local gym, don't hang out at Applebees thinking that's where the bar meets happen, stick to groups around your hobbies. If you all are as rich as you say you are getting the creme of the crop is a literal free pass to pussy.
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The biggest downside is probably the requirement of owning a car which really isn't all that bad considering how cheap they are like in pic. It will get you between cities with ease. That's probably one of the biggest filters for people here on SighSee who either don't know how to drive or don't have a license.
If you're not sociable then midwest is probably suicide for you.
Major airports are often farther away so you'll often be taking a connection to get abroad.
I guess for that one gay, you can't walk outside and ski, though I could drive to WV in a few hours to some GOAT places that aren't crowded with every caligay on the slopes.
Places to eat often close down early so no eating tbell at 4AM drunk.
People will remember you if you frick up hard
Internet speeds aren't the best, I only get 250/100 for 50/mo no data cap
The weather can be brutal at times, you might have a week or two where it's blizzard and you're stuck at home but not a real big issue. Often the neighbors will want to do something to pass the time.
You'll often need to do things yourself rather than pedro at home depot
Underrated posts.
https://i.imgur.com/Mbk7EvD.jpg
Pic related is becoming more and more a self-fulfilling prophecy by the day.
>Jews and Asians >Mormons and Catholics
Where the frick is this coming from?
The biggest downside is probably the requirement of owning a car which really isn't all that bad considering how cheap they are like in pic. It will get you between cities with ease. That's probably one of the biggest filters for people here on SighSee who either don't know how to drive or don't have a license.
If you're not sociable then midwest is probably suicide for you.
Major airports are often farther away so you'll often be taking a connection to get abroad.
I guess for that one gay, you can't walk outside and ski, though I could drive to WV in a few hours to some GOAT places that aren't crowded with every caligay on the slopes.
Places to eat often close down early so no eating tbell at 4AM drunk.
People will remember you if you frick up hard
Internet speeds aren't the best, I only get 250/100 for 50/mo no data cap
The weather can be brutal at times, you might have a week or two where it's blizzard and you're stuck at home but not a real big issue. Often the neighbors will want to do something to pass the time.
You'll often need to do things yourself rather than pedro at home depot
Damn we got some real fricking morons in here. Why the frick are you going to drive 3 hours for a shitty hill when you have a shitty hill near you, dumbfrick? And who are you kidding when you list shitwestern bunny hills as ski resorts?
You don't need to pretend to know anything about skiing if you're not a skier.
I lived a decade in the Arizona snow bowl and CO, so yeah know at least something. I just picked the closest one on google, the Appalachian Mountains have a frick ton of ski resorts but spoiler alert, ski'ing really isn't that big of a deal for most people when compared to cost of living that is part of your daily life. Personally I prefer to white water raft myself, but dunking on the midwest because of the ability to ski is just borderline autistic. I'm not even sure why you would be in this thread if ski'ing is your life.
>ski'ing really isn't that big of a deal for most people when compared to cost of living that is part of your daily life.
https://i.imgur.com/lhRUgu1.jpg
NOT A HEKKIN 3 HOUR DRIVE TO A RESORT TO SKI!!!!
The larger cities in the mid-west are filled with poor blacks and have serious violent crime problems. Chicago, St Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, Kansas City, Little Rock Arkansas, Tulsa, Rockford Illinois, Kalamazoo, Milwaukee, South Bend, Cincinnati, Flint, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Lansing, Akron, Toledo, Dayton, Peoria, Witchita, and Springfield Missouri all routinely rank among the top 25 most violent cities in the US.
Besides the crime, there aren't a lot of good national parks. A giant glacier flattened the entire place 10,000 years ago, so there aren't any mountains, and therefore no skiing to enjoy during the terrible winters. It's so flat that storms are really bad and they get tornadoes. Truthfully, the only large mid-west city worth visiting is Chicago. The first time I drove across country, I planned to stop at the St Louis arch, but when I pulled off the highway, it was so ghetto that I didn't even slow down. I just got back on the highway and kept driving.
For upper middle class+ whites, skiing is a borderline religion. I never got it either, but maybe that's because I grew up middle class in Kent, Ohio (so, lower middle class USA)
and ya.....midwest is NOT about living in a city lmao. maybe near one or in river north chicago, but that's about it. the main appeal would be a comfy (college town) suburb, if at all.
A lot of us just end up leaving tho
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Anonymous
>For upper middle class+ whites, skiing is a borderline religion. I never got it either, but maybe that's because I grew up middle class in Kent, Ohio (so, lower middle class USA)
This is sheer delusion, the "taking the family up to ski" is the most boomer mentality for wealth these days.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Nta but it’s kinda true, every richgay I know in the midwest skis.
2 months ago
Anonymous
In the midwest it's for sure a flex but still kinda a dated flex as many cheap flights or weekend bus plans will do something cheap. My coworker would often take off friday and do a bus thursday overnight to some place in the appalachian mountains for stupid cheap, never really saw it much of a huge flex unless going to fly to Aspen or whatever. I guess living by the rockies for a while has skewed my perception of it.
2 months ago
Anonymous
A lot of hardcore skiers are either dirt poor ski bums, or richgays. In the middle you have average people who grew up in the area that learned to ski over the years.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>This is sheer delusion, the "taking the family up to ski" is the most boomer mentality for wealth these days.
reality is delusional? Vail continues to sell more and more lift tickets year over year
I know goldman sachs analysts that moved to Colorado and got into skiing in the last 3 years.
I feel like you and I are in agreement. the lack of world class skiing in the immediate area is one reason why upper middle class+ people won't move (back) to the Midwest.
they'll move to Colorado, WA, CA, etc where continual religous worship of the hobby is possible vs a 1x/3yr pilgrimage on an airplane
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Anonymous
I wasn't saying that the Midwest sucks because it doesn't have skiing. It sucks because it's flat, ugly and boring and the cities are crime-ridden Black cesspools. There are also no beaches. And the weather is terrible. And the cheap towns in the middle of nowhere have literally zero culture and nothing to do.
2 months ago
Dylan
The Great Lakes doesn't have beaches?
2 months ago
Anonymous
No and those would be stupid shit anyways. I live in Cali can go to the beach right fricking now and go ski this weeken. Get fricked at the BBC filling hole with the fat hoes
I’m not autistic but I just don’t care about football or the local baconfest.
I can throw back some beers though if I’m not the one driving (tho they make me piss a lot more than the average person)
>be midwest gay >buy picrel in full because of how cheap it is >taxes are about a bit high but only talking 1300 or so a year >plenty of things to do each weekend >the women I know aren't fat mostly because I don't hang out thinking I'll get something good by hanging out down at the Applebees >food is stupid cheap in summer thanks to all the farms, still cheapish throughout the year anyways >only have a car because buying a used one in the midwest is cheap got a honda Civic for ~3500 >friends with all my neighbors who help shovel snow from time to time >they watch over my house when I am gone pay their kid to mow my lawn while away >don't have to worry of porch pirates and can even leave my doors unlocked at night >crime is a thing in this city but you know the bad areas that are nest eggs because of section 8 >house and property just sitting there to accumulate wealth for me faster than inflation is happening >if a recession happens I can basically live at home for probably 5 or so years before I need a job >that amazing feel when I bank every paycheck I get essentially while I see people seethe on an anime board supposedly full of richgays who piss it away
I will never stop loving these threads of absolute seethe from coastal idiots. Most these posts seem to be by people who watched Trailer Park Boys not realizing that was in Canada. For a travel board you all really don't seem to do all that much outside complain about women and nogs. Why the frick are you guys putting yourselves in situations with minorities and fat women. Go to your local gym, don't hang out at Applebees thinking that's where the bar meets happen, stick to groups around your hobbies. If you all are as rich as you say you are getting the creme of the crop is a literal free pass to pussy.
Yeah it's a huge misconception that American house-centric small-town culture means anti-social loner culture. But it's true that you can quickly run out of dating options. It's much better if you already have a mate.
The dating pool is smaller yeah, but that's generally why I live on the outskirts of a bigger city such as Springfield OH, Dayton isn't unreasonably far away to look and see. If a girl wants to move in we are talking a ~30 minute drive to downtown which again, isn't unreasonable given the fact you can basically live for free. Hell I can even uber to Dayton if I want.
If anything there was less social meetings with my neighbors when I lived in VA/AZ/Cali; most I never even knew them outside their car and first name. Complete 180 in the midwest, people want to meet and greet and keep each-other company.
>I will never stop loving these threads of absolute seethe from coastal idiots
Well this is the travel board, not the "good places to live" board. There are a few gems in the midwest as far as tourism goes, but for the most part there's not a lot to see that you wouldn't find in any other American city. I do agree that it's a great place to live in for relatively cheap, but if you're the type that likes going out to shows and whatnot you'll hate living there because there's supposedly nothing to do.
>There are a few gems in the midwest as far as tourism goes
I think a big issue is that the tourist destinations are all very spread out. The Midwest is a big place and the general character is "flat, rural farmland and practical, car-centric cities." Points of interest are the exception, in contrast to a place like the Pacific Northwest where where there's interesting geography wherever you go.
Wrong
There's water parks and malls, but there's also mini golf, weird attractions like a Ripley's Believe It or Not museum and the Tommy Bartlett Exploratory, hiking trails, and the actual dells themselves and extreme landscape (for Wisconsin)
Yeah because I can come back home and not have a family of minorities squatting in it followed by BLM telling me I can't evict them because they din do nuffin. My home is accruing value all the time and is better than renting a storage unit for all my things. It's far better than coming back to the USA and doing a month to month pre-furnished apartment.
Like where the frick do you all stay when you aren't traveling?
>read thread
Only people who are up in arms are coastie roasties getting mad at a low cost of living. Gives me far more money to travel abroad and build equity at the same time. I'm happy knowing the fact when I get done with traveling I won't be questioning my financial situation at all.
There are two polar powers in the US. The 'Old Money' in the East Coast and the 'New Money' in the West Coast. The midwest gets flak because they're a bit like China when it refuses to acknowledge that only the US and Europe actually matter - they're convinced that they should be a polar power and it simply isn't so.
That's pretty much the story with the midwest. They think they matter and they don't, so the people that do matter have to keep smacking them down like some upstart shitter. Simple as.
Man reading this thread, where the frick are you all hanging out in the mid west that is just fat b***hes all the time? Like where the frick does SighSee actually fricking go in the midwest to judge the women? The loves gas station or some shit? lmao."YYYYYUUUUUUPPP I WENT DOWN TO SEE THE 9'ers PLAY AND WHOOO LEMME TELL YA BUNCH OF COWS DOWN THERE ARE THE CHILI'S THIS SUNDAY BOYS WHOOO WHITE MANS CULTURE IS DEAD HEHEHEH. LEMME GO BACK TO FRICKIN 6TH STREET RIGHT NOW"
I don't get it you all spend like thousands of dollars to go for a quick sneed and feed in SEA, but you guys can't take 2 seconds to at least travel around the midwest and see some of the greatest nature on earth.
You forget "culture" means something plastered up and in your face and shoved down your throat. At least here. Having to invest a bit of time in the social construct of the area? FRICK THAT!
Yeah because theres no morons jumping up and down on cop cars. What an amazing culture. Theyre really missing out.
Better yet, Minneapolis, Chicago, and Ohio area also in the midwest. >b-b-but you have to judge my region by us rural folk and I will hate your region for its cities even though mine are just as bad or worse
Lol, not how it works. Southerners need to stfu, they live in Black personville. Midwesterners need to stfu, they live in Black personville. Mid atlantic/new englanders need to stfu, they live in Black personville. Westerners don't even need to stfu their mouths are already full of wiener. Fricking ALASKA has ghettos in Anchorage. Yes, they exported Black folks to the arctic.
Maybe we should all try to stop being moronic c**ts and recognize that these problems aren't able to be simplified to regional problems and that there are *other* more nefarious things going on.
No sorry, what am I saying, let's expend all of our energy getting mad about how taqueesha unjustly aborted her 13th baby or how someone dared to ride a fricking bicycle our street one time.
It's pretty much over, isn't it? Is the demoralization finally complete?
>Be muttixed redneck >live in nowhere >Seethe about never being able to ski, go to a beach or swim, no mountain hiking, no culture, no anything >post copium on SighSee all day because nothing to do other than listen to country shoot guns and rev ford 150 >"HELL YEAH GLOBAL WARMING FRICK DA REST OF DA EARTH BEALCH! GOTTA GET DIS HERE SNOW MELTING! SO I CAN GO FRICK MY SYSTER!" >goes to super bowl party because dumbfrickistan sports can't get the name of the sport right >get shot >5 trillion dollars in medical bills >Got dern bless america! YUP >seethe and post on SighSee about dumbshit no one cares about because you'll never get holiday in places like Asia, Explore the Alps, or woo a women whilst in a hostel for sloppy strange.
No one is "jealous" you own a cuckshed in the middle of no where, I'd rather be paying 1000/mo for a house I can see beautiful sunsets every day in the west with a good job and ablitiy to fly to Japan than bumfrick redneckville
>be commiefornian >spend over half a million to live in compton for ghetto 2 br >be raped by taxes >need to own a gun because can't trust urban youth >neighbor farts you hear it >shit has to close down during every protest/election year because nogs or spics >can't go anywhere because highway always clogged >drop of rain happens car is washed away >have to constantly hope pajeets and mexicans don't take my job as making 100k is considered poor
yeah man glad you can go ski in great bear lake or whatever, how's that 15 dollar wendy's working for ya
>detached, single stall garage >wood floors in bathroom >convenient (??) long-ass driveway >close to the freeway >$583 per sq ft in Compton >perfect for first time buyers >$645k
how completely dead-ass head-ass ass is the housing situation there, god damn
Young midwesterners are sick of the stereotype of midwesterners all being nice and friendly and instead act like demented psychopaths as some kind of twisted overcorrection
When I tell people I'm from Iowa it's hard to explain to what makes it special to me. We don't have a great historical, or literary, or film culture. We don't have many famous Iowans, and the ones who have become famous did so by leaving for California or Washington. But through this difficulty I think my midwestern identity has developed strongly. There is this feeling of time passing by, and time leaving you behind, and not being tied to much of the troubles of the world but just the land. When I think of my childhood in Iowa it's always the trees and long, rolling green hills. The smell of the corn and hay and the coyotes howling far away. The paint chipping off the decades dilapidated barn and tornado shelter. The little fossilized shells in the steep creekside millions of years old. The starry wet nights and booming thunderstorms. The Midwest makes you feel very small and insignificant in the wide open prairies. Baseball games in the fields. People from California I meet can always point to some movie or music cliche to say "this is what my life was like." But I think we just have these memories that are not easy to share the feeling. This feeling of not belonging to anything greater than the earth is what I think of. The mere experiences of Wichita or Springfield passerby can never really capture this. It gives us a certain character, and I suppose that is what we are really well known for.
I know right flyovers can't help but cope with their shitty no life jobs or anything.
YOU VILL pay 80 k for a trailer surrounded by nuggets and rednecks shooting guns. And you VILL hate anything with sovl. Get fricked boomers this is a travel board not a copieum living in but frick no where board
Oh boy, another coastal snobs vs southern boomers vs midwestern hermits thread. I can’t wait to see all of the new and exciting discourse this will produce.
I figured it out. Midwest is the anti-/trv/.
Sucks to visit, great to live in.
Meanwhile this board like to talk about great to visit, sucks to live in.
There, I’ve solved the whole thread. You can go home now.
The midwest and particularly the upper midwest is highly wholesome, very white, and probably the part of the country least spoiled by degeneracy. Very genuine people, low cost of living, low crime rate, no natural disasters except the odd tornado and those get more and more rare as you go north. No breathtaking scenery but the environment is comfy and there are some kino state parks. It's not somewhere to live if you want a life of excitement but if you're over that phase of your life and want to settle down then it's kino
Apart from tornadoes, Midwest is easily one of the most overpowered places for humans to live on the entire planet. Top-tier soil, plenty of water, many long navigable rivers, spacious, gentle terrain. Great for farming, manufacturing, and building homes. But it's not a very attractive place for SighSee tourism because
- Whites have only settled there for 200 years, so no ancient or medieval architecture to wank over.
- Few destitute girls for mutual exploitation.
- No scenic mountains, beaches, or similar natural tourist attractions. The best wilderness (northern Minnesota) is also the least typical of midwest, geographically.
- The gentle geography means there's not much need for creative urban designs.
- Extreme normalgay sports, food and religious culture.
- Trends in the last 25-50 years have been rough on the midwest--urban decay, white flight, globalization, loss of manufacturing, population drain (techies to Silicon Valley, cute girls to LA and NY City, and overall migration to nice weather sunbelt cities) and of course fentanyl.
I’ve lived through hurricanes and something about these Midwest tornadoes look terrifying. It’s demonic-looking the way they twist the sky into something scary.
They are more terrifying in many ways. Hurricanes do cause a lot more total damage because they are huge and last longer, but they're also far more predictable. You're not waking up in the middle of the night with <5 minutes to get into an underground shelter before an EF5 deletes your house and maybe the rest of your neighborhood for good measure. And yeah Supercell storms are the most visually dramatic storms as well.
Thank you anon, I will watch this video after family breakfast. Comments are saying his voice is soothing, and the visuals are exactly what I mean when I say spooky storms
Tornado's can happen pretty much anywhere outside the west coast+rockies and WV. Even then the west has them all the times in the desert but no one really registers them..
you're in the top 10% if you make over $30k where i live
30% of $100k is better than 60% of $30k
>make 85k before yearly bonus >cost of living was about 2200/mo apartment+utilities >go full remote >move to Lincoln NE >1000 tops for apartment+utilities >didn't take into consideration foo entertainment, etc all cheaper >don't need a car or uber as much because safe walkable city only ~3-4 blocks away from all I could need >take home after taxes up 75-80% >go from kinda need to watch my spending to travel 2-3 times a year to not worrying that hard and still being well upper middle class
You gotta understand probably 9 out of 10 anons probably are in their mid-late 20's still living at home with their aging parents in places they would have no chance affording if not for bumming off said parents good will as an adult. Most probably work some remote job or have enough free time without rent to save up some allowance or play the crypto game for some small winnings to travel every now and again. I think outside some military anon I bumped into there was only one other anon who moved out and had a stable job when we got to talking most everyone else in the group either was a cagie living at home or had a crypto fund.
When you realize less than 10% of all anons here are actually even thinking long term investments, local safety, income to cost of living ratio, tax rates, and so on; the thread makes perfect sense. The 4% rule is fricking dead and most people here are mostly on a downward spiral of savings 'but waiting for the next big crypto boom!', most aren't considering land and proper equity in their long term goals. Why people with so much crypto can't or straight up won't invest in property often confused me until I realize they live at home or store all their shit with mom and dad at 30.
While the midwest may not be GOAT it's far better for your average anon who wants to put in a decent stable investment for long term planning. With more jobs finally pulling out of high cost of living coastal states the midwest is going to be consistently growing. However maybe someone here has some secret sauce they know about but for me knowing my house will be a decent resell when I am 60-70 and will have not paid some landlord for an apartment I don't own; I can sleep very well at night.
How are rents and apartments in the midwest? Are they also cheap relative to the rest of the country like the housing? I may have to move to Wisconsin for work and I'm wondering how that is because I am 25 and I cannot justify a house just yet.
Depends what you are looking for, if I wanted I could get a studio for <500. Easily get an apartment for ~ 700-750 in Green Bay for a decent enough place. Biggest issue with WI/MN/SD/ND areas is income limits being enforced for some places so you just need to check. Apartments.com often does a good job of listing that though if you rent a house through craigslist you can always get more for your money.
Madison rent prices got fricked
Appleton isn't bad if you have remote work though small airport for travel
La Crosse is meh but the cops will never charge you with anything but will be dicks. Homeless kinda a big problem in summer due to that.
Make sure the place pays for heating, most will pay for heated water+HVAC but never hearts to check.
Prices are probably 1/3 or 1/4 of your typical soulless American metropolitan area, but your wages are probably going to be 1/2 or 1/3 of the jobs you can get there too. The main difference is that apartments in the Midwest are fricking huge. It's not uncommon to rent 1,000 square feet for $600 even today so long as you're willing to commute a bit by car.
because it's objectively got the least going for it and sucks just as much as areas with more going on
texas sucks as well but there's more going on
in the midwest all you're going to get is some shitty sports team that people take way too seriously because it's literally the only way for them to parasocially feel better than anyone in any way
Its crazy that the Midwest (and honestly most of middle America in general) have 6'2+ nordic/german uberchads for their men but all of the foids are fat, disgusting, entitled slobs. In NYC I notice all of the tallgays are always from the midwest
>Its crazy that the Midwest (and honestly most of middle America in general) have 6'2+ nordic/german uberchads
If by uberchads you mean fat fricks, then yeah
How are rents and apartments in the midwest? Are they also cheap relative to the rest of the country like the housing? I may have to move to Wisconsin for work and I'm wondering how that is because I am 25 and I cannot justify a house just yet.
moronic just like anywhere else. A studio apartment is 1k minimum (plus utilities, tax, and tip) in Ohio.
>moronic just like anywhere else. A studio apartment is 1k minimum (plus utilities, tax, and tip) in Ohio.
Maybe if only looking at north Polaris, though if you want cheap just go to Dayton unless you're required to go into the office.
Its crazy that the Midwest (and honestly most of middle America in general) have 6'2+ nordic/german uberchads for their men but all of the foids are fat, disgusting, entitled slobs. In NYC I notice all of the tallgays are always from the midwest
>Scandinavians settled predominantly in rural areas of the Midwest and Great Plains ― particularly in Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, and North Dakota.
Because they basically settled around a similar climate around the great lakes for work. >all of the foids are fat, disgusting, entitled slobs
Stop hanging out at the texmex bar&grills
Midwest had very strong Protestant ideology until the 1990s. The Midwest is still very religious but it's been replaced by cultural Marxism. So instead of passionate devotion to WASP work ethic and humility you have rabid indoctrination on the latest racial/sexual/political bullshit. Shitlibs in the Midwest are honestly the worst. It's all holier than thou women pushing 30 with more cats than children and pussies run through with as many dicks as a 70s porn star. If you live in the small towns you can still have a normal wife and family but the mid-sized cities are infested with this performative nonsense. Again you must realize it's just WASP church culture with Jesus being replaced by Juan the Gentle Landscaper and Domiquan the Dindu Child Support Enjoyer.
The Midwest is a cold boring shit hole, with corn, cows, entitled cow women and drunks, everyone here copes about this god awful region. It's a bucket of crabs, anyone who is lucky enough to make it out is usually criticized by those stuck in the Midwest still. It sucks here.
The United States of America used to be a whole lot smaller than it is now. Then they gained more and more lands by killing natives (pretty much from Arizona to California), illegally purchasing lands through extortions (Alaska and Texas), subverting/destabilizing peaceful local governments (Hawaii and Puerto Rico) and instigating wars (Palestine soon). That image is topkek btw
Is this a travel question? If so, I think the answer is pretty basic: the Midwest isn’t as popular with travelers as coastal or mountain regions (or even as parts of the deep South if they’ve got cultural or historic interest, or interesting food) because it lacks mountains and beaches, which travelers usually enjoy. It’s largely flat, there’s a lot of farmland, and very few of the cities pack much tourism punch. It’s also a relatively large area, so many parts of it are far from one another, and tourists, especially foreign tourists, rarely want to spend seven hours driving through farmland, or worse yet, ten hours watching farmland pass by from a bus window, even if there’s an impressive national park at the end of the journey.
That said, especially at its northern and western extremes, there’s quite a lot of tourism-worthy stuff in the Midwest. The Boundary Waters canoeing area up in MN is exceptionally beautiful. The Badlands National Park in SD is worth the trek. And while I haven’t really spent much time up there myself, 85% of the people I’ve ever met from Michigan wax nostalgic about some lake house or cabin that they insist is the most beautiful place on Earth.
If you’re talking about other Americans hating on the Midwest, I assume that’s because they regard it as boring more than anything else. But I haven’t really encountered hate for the region IRL; it’s been closer to the opposite, with locals/former locals raving about how great wherever they’re from is.
I lived in Bloomington IL for 2 years working for State Farm. Hardly saw any black people. There were lots of Indians thought, imported to work for SF. When I left they were in the process of reducing the number of "externals," so I don't know if there are still lots of Indians in town. But it seemed pretty white. College town too, so fair amount of pretty girls. Not a ton to do in town, that's true. But I had a great apartment for $775 (and could have gone cheaper without sacrificing too much), whereas now in Austin a good studio for $1400 would be a steal. I'm thinking Midwest is pretty based. State Farm wasn't a bad employer, good people there, all things considered. Not cutting edge tech though: still used COBOL, though I didn't work with it.
The midwest is irredeemable garbage and deserved all the hate it gets and more. Your shack in bumfrick Illinois is cheap for a reason moron, nobody wants to live there.
skiing is fun
I grew up in upstate ny, skiing was not just an upper class thing (although there was still some bias that direction). There were lots of affordable local ski areas. You probably didn't go on trips to resort-tier mountains Whiteface or Stowe (certainly not Vail). A far bigger status flex for wealthy types in my neck of the woods was winter vacations to Bahamas or Florida Keys and coming back all tanned in February.
Never heard of “the midwest”
Because it's white. The South used to be more of a punching bag, but thr unintended criticisms of blacks made it less in vogue.
it's because it's boring flyover country. It's where we grow food + Chicago.
lots and lots of corn and boredom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depopulation_of_the_Great_Plains
Because it's been in serious decline for decades
This is starting to reverse. People are getting sick of paying ridiculous prices in places like CA and NY and are moving back here.
there's nothing worthwhile to visit. no culture or anything. "flyover states" really
What is Chicago, Kansas City, Madison, Indianapolis, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Columbus?
Just corn fields..correct?
All completely unremarkable places. If you've seen one, you've seen them all.
False, they are very different, you are not a Midwesterner nor have you truly visited any of those cities.
Chicago is the only one of those places that is remotely worth seeing.
Madison is the only one that's remotely worth living in
>See Chicago
>Get shot
>Live in Madison
>freeze to death, then shot
nah, if I had to live in the Midwest it'd be in Kansas.
Kansas City is in Missouri though and the Kansas side is the shitty part of town.
It's all shit
Its your homeland. Dumb fricking american
Columbus is dogshit and all the other ones are even worse
>t. columbus resident
lmao yeah why aren't people desperate to visit kansas city? it's uhhhhh a city in kansas?
Kansas City is in Missouri moron
It’s both
>Chicago
Come and see, umm the filthy ass bean? Sears tower, and Portillos
>Kanas City
Home of the Chiefs and that's it
>Madison
Corruption of Wisconsin at it's finest
>Indianapolis
The Speedway, that's it and Highways
>Twin Cities
Used to be nice
>Columbus
Never been, assume it's a shithole
Why do people shill cities so much? Come to Midwest to experience small town comfy living, not some New York wannabe.
My response was directed towards the anon who said there is nothing in the Midwest, I pointed out cities, but yes you are also correct, there are plenty of comfy small towns, also we do have some great nature in the Midwest, everyone seems to overlook it, but we do have it.
Small towns aren't comfy. It's old people and cliquish trailer trash. And the jobs suck, such that you aren't really better off cost of living-wise.
There are a few that are nice if you have kids; but they mostly suck, especially for a SighSeeer that didn't grow up there.
>Small towns aren't comfy.
I'd consider Springfield OH a "small town" and yeah there is plenty to do if you can socialize with people and share hobbies that aren't "I like to go COOM in SEA". Hell most conversations SighSee would love because small towns would love to talk about how biden and the government suck. The amount of knowledge people end up gathering in small towns can often shock you and if you're willing to put yourself out there and be willing to be part of their community you'll never run out of things to do.
> And the jobs suck, such that you aren't really better off cost of living-wise.
What's so hard about getting a remote SysAdmin job and banking 80k/yr in a place where most combined salaries are ~70k. Besides once you buy a house the overall income really doesn't matter that much. I bank something like 5-6k/mo with my remote job and travel around 6-8 months out of the year, only coming home in winter to recertify, work out, check on the house, and plan my next year.
If I want chain store strip malls I don’t need to travel thousands of miles
They misinterpret the basic decency of the white man for weakness. His humble work ethic for unsophistication. His straightforward manner of speech for banality.
whites are bland that's why no one wants to see you not even yourselves
you're so bland sex becomes boring after a while and you stop having kids or you go for chinks as your sisters go for bbc
not hate, just indifference. There's nothing particularly interesting there. It's the same sights over and over again. Compare that to the west coast whose a single state can have mountain ranges and springs, deserts and luscious snowy forests at the same time.
moron alert
we got bland cuz y'all darkies kept b***hin for centuries for rights, we gave them to you, we gave you every fricking thing you ever assked and then some and more AND Y'ALL ARE STILL FRICKING b***hING, PISSING AND MOANING AND SHITTING YASELVES ABOUT SHIT THAT HAPPEN FROM 500 YERARS IN THE PAST UP TO TODAY AND Y'ALL BE KEEP ON DOING IT FOR ANOTHER THOUSAND YEARS AND EVERY TIME WE THE WHITE PEOPLE SO MUCH AS EXIST ANYWHERE NEAR ANYONE OF RICHER COMPLEXION, WE GET DRAGGED OUT EVERYWHERE AS THE FUSION OF HITLER, JIM CROW, POL POT, MUSOLINI AND COLUMBUS ALL AT ONCE.
JUST SHUT THE FRICK UP YOU Black folk AND BE HAPPY WITH THE FRICKING SHIT WE GIVEN YOU. GOD DAMN! FRICKING BUILD YOUR OWN WESTERN WORLD IF YOU DONT LIKE OURS.
Go be a israelite on Twitter, no one’s falling for it
the midwest gets misinterpreted as boring when it's actually just safe and wholesome. East coasters cant understand the appeal of a low-crime, convservative and mono-ethnic society, which is what much of the midwest is. Americans don't even go to the midwest because it's reputation is so bad. I'm from Ireland and the midwest reminds me of home in some ways.
People don't hate it. This board hates it because they need a car to get around most places and simply being white doesn't get all eyes on you. Midwest/Great Plains are fine places if you're extroverted but outside the major cities, you'll be in for hell on earth finding friends if introverted. It's a fine area if you can get a remote job, plenty of cheap living in those areas, but to enjoy most the cities you'll need a car; Any city under ~100k won't have any bus system.
That's bullshit. Cities under 10k, probably. But I know lots of cities with 20-30k that have bus systems. But most people over 16 own a car in the Midwest, because of the horrible weather and spaciousness.
I should have specified "reasonable bus system", yeah the smaller cities will have it but you could almost walk across the damn town faster than the bus takes you.
Fat, very c**ty women. A general atmosphere of despair and decay. A population entirely of fat and dying boomers, entitled fat women, junky zombies, hood homies, and people who want to leave but are stuck. It’s cold as frick and generally ugly as frick, with nothing to do. It’s once impressive decaying abandoned meth den houses are the perfect allegory for the towns they inhabit. It’s the most American part of America, and not in a good way.
But watch. The shills will come at me seething because they hired feds to push back on anyone who points out how much of a shithole the US has become because they’re just now realizing they don’t have enough goyim willing to die for Israel anymore.
Still better than the South, frankly
The South has way more jobs, lower taxes, better food, better weather, and friendlier people.
Cope. The Midwest is peak burgerpunk despairporn doomer aesthetic at it’s finest. Some slightly less shitty but still very boring pockets don’t change that. In the future there will be a Chinese bald and bankrupt streamer walking around the Midwest talking to old lot lizards instead of bubushkas but unlike Bald he’ll probably be killed in action. Also your muh white shit is moronic. Midwestern whites who don’t leave are some of the lowest quality people the world has to offer. Anyone worth anything leaves ASAP. Also, imagine cherrypicking and selling the region with Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, and Gary as muh white, lmao
There he is, rent free. You never even try to counter any of my points other than saying “you’re not white” like some 2016 wignat caricature.
Having grown up there, this is 100% spot on.
Based and expat-pilled. I’m also from the US and left the shithole US for greener pastures. Best decision I ever made. If you can work remote from the US, outside of being farther from family, there is basically zero downside to leaving. Better women, better food, better architecture, and more freedom. This goes for most places outside the anglosphere.
You're making an ass of yourself.
Most of middle America (apart from Colorado) is dull. The American heartland does not have a leisure culture; leisure happens with friends & family at home, not downtown. Most towns are very lifeless, with people only coming into town to do business, and that rarely on Main Street these days. The Midwest is the only region of America that I haven't explored in all my years of wandering around America. But some parts of the Midwest are quite appealing, so I'd like to visit them just as the warm summertime weather arrives and everyone heads outside to have fun. Some of the more appealing towns have more of a fitness culture, with greenway trails and good public parks.
It's not all like that. Simply look at which parts of the region are growing; those are the desirable parts. The shrinking towns and cities are either sad & lifeless or shitholes, if there is a significant black population.
>most of middle America is dull
>hasn’t been there
And Colorado ain’t the Midwest, jagoff.
If you have lived in the Midwest for over a year you have met these exact same 3 girls for the first time easily a thousand times.
I assume that the dark blue means heavily populated but it would be nice if this map was labeled with some numbers.
Dark blue means fastest growing. Dark yellow means fastest shrinking in population.
Seems its great to live the indoor life in your own home.
You can pick from heat or cold.
Living alone & friendless in a cheap house in the middle of nowhere America sounds like a sure recipe for suicide, though I guess if you spend your whole day working to pay the mortgage and working to customize and improve the house, you can ignore the existential issues for a while. Personally, I'd rather live in hotels for $6000/year. They are comfy and worry-free; I can enjoy the amenities of urban living as well.
And no, housing is not automatically a good financial investment anywhere you go. Many shrinking regions of America are a buyer's market only. However, good fertile land, a solid home, and dependable neighbors is definitely a good investment if you expect a coming collapse to force a return to self-sufficiency.
>Dark blue means fastest growing. Dark yellow means fastest shrinking in population.
How old is that chart because California lost a shit ton of people throughout covid.
>Living alone & friendless in a cheap house in the middle of nowhere America sounds like a sure recipe for suicide
Great projecting there anon glad you already have no idea what your talking about. Yeah if I never went to the gym after work, out to some bars on a weekend, didn't participate in any events around town, or have hobbies I'd probably also hate it. I don't think most people here are looking to move into Liberty Kansas or some sub 10k village.
>you can ignore the existential issues for a while. Personally, I'd rather live in hotels for $6000/year.
Didn't know owning a house instantly meant you can't have any travel, why not do what many others have done and gotten a room mate to keep eyes on things+pay the bills+side money. I'm fairly certain other anons have mentioned something similar ITT.
> However, good fertile land, a solid home, and dependable neighbors is definitely a good investment if you expect a coming collapse to force a return to self-sufficiency.
In a house all I need to worry about is my personal property tax at the end of the year which really isn't that much.
If the economy tanks I only have to worry about that+ utilities, which really isn't that much all things considered. Appose to an apartment where you may need proof of income to even house yourself+absurd monthly costs. Not ideal for an economic down turn.
>And no, housing is not automatically a good financial investment anywhere you go.
No one ever said this but generally compared to the rate of inflation it is, especially if you can pay off the house quickly. It will only out pace inflation in the long haul unless you buy in some shithole like Little Rock.
>LOOK PAPA I POST IT JUST LIKE AYER!
This more accurately describes most coastal cities than "flyover" ones.
The women are mostly ugly and have personality disorders. I will add that the general public in most mid-west cities are the most unlikeable anywhere.
On the one side, you have the poor trashy whites including drug addicts, homeless, juggalos, scam artists, wannabe biker boomers who live in trailer parks, and the most delusional lowest class leftist tools in the country outside the west coast.
Then you have all the worst most dangerous blacks in the country in the sketchiest hoods one can possibly fathom.
On the other hand, you have pretentious and extremely rude millennials who think they know everything, overly judgy and uptight unwarranted superiority complex middle class in the suburbs and smaller cities, and rich farmers who are subsidized by the government and involved in corruption with local politicians.
Somewhere in the middle you have these really strange attempts at regional culture which seem like parodies of other US states until you realize they're actually serious. And the people involved or attached to any of this fake culture are weird as shit and can't even be trusted
>Michigan viking hoax culture
>"Yoopers"
>Minnesota nice folx
>Paul Bunyan shit
>Iowans in general
>Indiana rednecks
Avoid all these people and the entire midwest, if possible
Minnesotans are so autistic sometimes. they won't even speak to you if they think they're better than you. They'll just fricking stare if you say hello. It's weird.
yeah the nordic-german autism and wokeness has been a fatal combo for the midwestern white woman. they have lost their fricking minds. all women are like this to an extent these days in America but at least on the coasts they're still attractive. in the midwest they're just fat pseudo-lesbians
I think you midwesterners are too hard on yourselves. I'm a 'fornian that moved here and even if what you say might be true, a lot of it applies to everywhere, as in, the whole country is pretty fricked in the same ways the midwest is. The south is mostly worse. Americans shit on each other or themselves regionally, but everywhere has basketballer issues.
>Indiana rednecks
Lol from Indiana and can confirm. They call us the south of the Midwest and it's true. People here fly more Confederate flags and have dumb fricking accents than bumfrick Alabama. I swear the rural idiots in this state are some of the lowest class people you will ever meet.
That being said southern Indiana isn't too bad if you know where to live. We've got nice forests and low taxes.
Northern Indiana is a flat wasteland though.
Born and raised in Iowa and went to University in Minnesota. This post went too soft on the Midwest. It's far worse than anyone could imagine.
Growing up we were so bored the towns youth would drive through the city center called "scooping the loop". It's just aimlessly driving in circles for hours on end until something happened.
As an adult there are almost zero professional job opportunities outside of the small big cities.
I'm so fricking glad I left. I now live in Germany and will forever.
>This post went too soft on the Midwest. It's far worse than anyone could imagine.
How bad is it?
Think of the my boring place on earth and it doesn't even come close to how boring the Midwest actually is. I'll specifically speak to Iowa, but everywhere is not far off.
There is never anything to do. The land is completely flat. In winter it's fricking cold, as cold or colder than Siberia. But Siberia has a beautiful countryside (I've been). Iowa has nothing. Most trees are planted by farm houses to keep the wind from blowing away their place. In summer it's fricking way too hot outside because it's so humid and miserable from all the corn. Not like there's anything to do though. What small lakes they do have are filled with lake homosexuals who think they are better than you since they own a cottage on a lake that gets sewage leakage from the city (Clear Lake).
Everyone is fricking fat too. Going to Iowa State can be summed up to my experience of going to a local bar. I saw two girls surrounded by 20 dudes all trying to get their attention. It was pathetic. I even called a fat girl fat in high school and all the girls of my class black listed me from dating. I didn't even realize why until years after graduation.
I honestly thought I was an incel until I left and found out I wasn't. The South really is better.
Eastern Iowa is filled with people fleeing Chicago (black and White). They bring their moronic mentally with them.
There is literally nothing to do in Iowa. Absolutely nothing.
Professional jobs are all locked in at Des Moines or Cedar Falls. Their communities are small and everyone knows everyone. Don't like how your employer treated you? you'll be black listed as everyone knows everyone.
>Women are fat
Stop going to Texas Roadhouse thinking that's where all the hot babes hang out.
>all the people are black
Stop going to the shittiest bars and cheapest haircut places in the south part of town across the tracks. If there isn't a BBQ place but a Seafood place instead, you're in the wrong area
>All the crime
Stop living in the income restricted housing or in the downtown parts of the city
>people do drugs!
yeah and those people often keep far far away from you and can be spotted a literal mile away unlike SanFran where it's just another street corner
>the people aren't fun
Unless you have an actual social life of 0 and only want to talk about crypto+cooming, the midwest is filled with a bunch of people with different hobbies and often friendly
>this entire post
>Professional jobs are all locked in at Des Moines or Cedar Falls
Anon most people here aren't discussing living in Mt Pleasant Iowa where unless you grew up there is frick all to do other than frick and drink. I think it's fair to say anyone discussing living in the midwest is going to choose to live around a city with at least a population of 50k, and bigger cities living on the out parts of town. No one here is actively thinking of buying the farm just yet.
I like the Midwest because I can leave for 6-8 months overseas then come back and not have to constantly worry if my place was visited by squatters or "urban youth" during my leave. All while paying a fraction of the cost of living on the coast like I grew up on.
>I like the midwest because I can leave
Fantastic argument
>live near a bigger city
>don't be near blacks
uh anon?
Read the post you replied to. Most midwest cities are still very segregated to this day, it's vastly different compared to LA, NYC, Etc where you get a mix in every neighborhood. If you're incapable of doing any research or knowing the term "wrong side of the tracks", you're hopeless.
No shit, where was anyone actively saying it was better than the Swiss Alps. Why are you even bothering in this thread? That's like going "Yeah well LA isn't like living in Tokyo. LA is so fricking dirty!". Obviously the midwest isn't the crowning holy land of people to live in, though compared to much of the places to live in the USA it's very appeasing to those wanting stability and afordability.
Grats you live in the Alps there buddy.
Pro tip, you can live anywhere in the world you want and you choose the Midwest. lmao.
>Most midwest cities are still very segregated to this day, it's vastly different compared to LA, NYC, Etc where you get a mix in every neighborhood.
Midwest isn't different in this regards, all cities are heavily segregated especially LA and NYC. I've lived in 13 different cities all of the country and without fail people of different racial/ethnic/economic background segregate into their own respective communities.
> all cities are heavily segregated especially LA and NYC
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Isn't it surprising how real life contradicts media narrative?
Trying way too hard or you've clearly never been to either the midwest or those cities. LA and NYC have minorities living next to your average white family unless you're very very well off to near gated level communities or communities with such HOA's the become almost near gated. In the midwest say, St. Cloud, Fargo, Springfield OH, Green Bay, or Lincoln; you have one side of the tracks and the other. Most the cities I listed you can get decent paying jobs with a very favorable income to cost of living.
The Mexicans and Blacks, almost always funnel to their neighborhoods or select corners of the area.
>Trying way too hard or you've clearly never been to either the midwest or those cities
He's way more right than you are. You're being very careless with language in particular counting any level of mixing at all as "not segregated" which hasn't been a meaningful metric since the 60s while carelessly comparing massive cities with a 50k exurb of Dayton.
The main difference in the midwest is that there are fewer non-blacks or non-mestizos that aren't white Christians (or ex-christians).
Forgot pic.
>LA and NYC have minorities living next to your average white family
Just not the case. At least not in a meaningfully ethnic way. Minorities do successfully integrate into white communities but there's usually only a few that are really a full mixture.
Boston is a good example there, where you have a diversitopia in Cambridge, where Harvard and MIT recruit from all over the world regardless of race or ethnicity and you wind up with a very filtered, select population but a diverse ethnic makeup. Walk around Harvard Square and you'll see Arabs and Africans and Chinese and Slavs and Nords and Anglos and Meds and Latin Americans all mingling together. But walk about four miles to the southeast and you'll either be in Black Dorchester or Irish Southie. Go southwest and you'll find yourself in Brookline and Newton which is dominated by israelites along with Whites and successful Asians. You'll find close to zero blacks in Newton.
Boston is a unique case. There's no other place in the US I'm aware of that still has an "irish" neighborhood.
In LA, btw, what's happened over the last 30 years is neighborhoods have become black AND mexican OR asian AND white.
>There's no other place in the US I'm aware of that still has an "irish" neighborhood.
Doesn't really change the point that the Cambridge-style high-diversity mix is the exception to the rule. Even ruling out Southie or counting it as white (a good number of non-Irish whites live there), there's an obvious divide between white and black zones, with a couple of Hispanic zones thrown in for good measure (Chelsea, Lynn, Lawrence, etc). Most areas are white with a smattering of minorities. Pretty similar to the midwest.
>black AND mexican OR asian AND white
You can see that trend in the NY Times NYC map somewhat also, though it's more complex. Which is part of the problem trying to compare NYC to the midwest. Because with NYC you have 20 million people crammed into the metro area, what counts as a distinct neighborhood tends to be a little different from some midwestern exurbs. 50k people is handful of blocks in NY, where it's a whole city in rural midwest.
Pic related is becoming more and more a self-fulfilling prophecy by the day.
Anon your map literally proves you wrong... Those green dots next to a bunch of black/hispanic dots all the fricking over. This doesn't even show the homeless either.
>Those green dots next to a bunch of black/hispanic dots all the fricking ove
They aren't, though. It's the exception to the rule in all cases. You'll find lots of hispanics and whites living near each other in the midwest, too. It's just that there are fewer hispanics on average (though that is changing). The NYC map mostly solid greens or green+red, solid blues and solid oranges.
Again part of the problem is with your really stupid definitions of segregation that somehow think that a hispanics living next to whites in neighborhood transition areas in NY City means there aren't massive patterns of segregation that are far more dominant as it relates to the actual experience of people living there.
You're trying too hard to fit in.
>ll cities are heavily segregated especially LA
NTA but I live in LA and that's not true. I live in the basin near the coast in a very good neighborhood (mostly white and asian) and there's STILL Black person gang crime that occurs a few blocks away at a local mall. I watched a group of "youths" rob a chick fil a across the street from where I work a few weeks ago. While yes there are cities and city parts that are "very diverse" and are concentrated shitholes the gangs spread out here and have a hold in most cities, even the good ones.
I used to live in LA. Walk around a hispanic neighborhood in Baldwin Park as the wrong shade of brown and try not get get jumped. Just because you live a neighborhood with a minority of people who are okay living next to people of different racial and ethnic backgrounds, doesn't it make it the norm.
>If there isn't a BBQ place but a Seafood place instead, you're in the wrong area
What is it with blacks and seafood? I’ve noticed a ton of those restaurants in the hood. It’s like the new fried chicken or something.
I live out in the country west of Des Moines. I have timber and pasture. I have a few small towns around me that are OK. I can be in downtown Des Moines in about a half hour.
I went to U of I in Iowa City and the girls were hot. I had a great time. I never really like Ames either though. Clear Lake is a cool town but the lake sucks. I have been giung to Okoboji all my life and it is a nice lake. Too many ultra wealthy people are ruining it now. We also go to Prairie du Chien in the fall. Thats Wisconsin but right on the border. The drive there is incredibly boring.
Overall I like it but winter sucks. If I ever retire I will buy a condo in Arizona and never see winter again
>If I ever retire I will buy a condo in Arizona and never see winter again
Good luck, and also we get Winters out here. The valley has mild winters but we still get decently cold. Hope you can afford it though, the TSMC plants and Silicon Valley companies jumping ship to build here are driving prices through the roof.
I went to Phoenix last January and stayed in a nice townhouse woth about 500k in Dedert Ridge. The weather was perfect. My wife knows the townhouse owner. Too big of a city though
Arizona is amazing in the winter. IDK what you're talking about because 60 degrees and sunny and is amazing its hilarious to see the AZ natives bundled up in parkas and ugg boots. Even if the temps dip to freezing at night its very nice just wear a coat. Prescott even is beautiful in the winter, not too cold with a little snow sometimes.
The only thing that sucks is how WINDY it gets and blows dust around.
And yeah the cost of living got out of hand. AZ was amazing 10 years ago because it was like 1/4 the price of living in CA but paid almost the same and now its almost the same cost.
> I can be in downtown Des Moines in about a half hour.
Then you're too close, plus that's impossible with all the traffic. Imagine a city having 200,000 people but still having terrible traffic. It took me an hour each way to drive from Grimes to downtown Des Moines. There is fricking nothing in Des Moines btw.
Im close to I80. If I were to drive through town it would take over an hour. We do lots of stuff with friends like dinner parties. I also golf. We have rented hotel rooms and went bar hopping in East Village. If I had no friends I would probably hate it
Wow dinner parties?! hold on a moment that's the best! That certainly beats hiking in the Alps!
yeah you're right I was missing out on all the dinner parties and golf. how could I be so silly.
Either you're very introverted and don't know how to have fun or you need to be force fed information to have fun. I can see why you don't have fun.
Lmao that's not what I said, this is a travel board remember? I like I can have equity and something to come home to that is a long term investment for me. It's going to exceed what people who currently only to IRA's or other shit like "muh 4%" meme are now behind in. Land and property ownership is still amongst the most solid out there, not to mention a possible passive income should you lease some rooms out.
Even if I was back out west living in AZ I'd just be losing money when I take 6-8 months off to go abroad for a while. The housing market out there was completely fricked by covid and HOA's, not a thing in in most the midwest. HOA's don't have to be enforced to keep out "those people".
>I like the Midwest because I can leave for 6-8 months
that is exactly what you said you gaslighting midwestern homosexual.
I live in a place I never want to leave, the Swiss Alps.
Where did you come from and how did you end up living in the Swiss Alps? What do you do there now?
>Either you're very introverted and don't know how to have fun or you need to be force fed information to have fun. I can see why you don't have fun.
you're right. what was I thinking. Zombie Burger really is peak living, same with HessenHaus.
Don't forget to get tickets to the bacon fest! all the bacon you can eat if you pay $150!
When I was younger all I wanted to do was go out and have frunken 1 night stands. Now I like to hang out with my friends. We do lots of couple stuff with them. If you dont have people you enjoy, I dont know what to tell you
Holy shit you're boring.
NTA but I like to take a laid back and cheap life style with good friends, I travel so much during the year it's nice to just sit and collect my thoughts. Coming back to the US after about 7 months abroad it's nice to just hang out with friends, catch up on things, not have to deal with tons of BS, say hello to the bartenders I haven't seen in a while, share stories, etc.
I've lived in tokyo and Korea in my 20's, I've lived in some of the top 5 cities in the US as well, I regularly travel abroad since I work remotely. Having a house and property I know that is outpacing inflation and increasing in value is nice. At least my town of 275k doesn't shut down because riots as some druggie got arrested by cops, frick the west coast so fricking hard.
>the Midwest is so good I have to be gone from it for the majority of the year.
You come across like you would be miserable anywhere and make those around you miserable
Yeah, this is a travel board. I travel for work, it's fairly smart to invest in property in a state where there is no state income tax+low cost of living and just max your savings. Having equity is pretty invaluable especially if your remote job gets axed in a round of layoffs. I could basically just go home and with my savings basically live for a few years doing piss all till I found another remote gig.
You do you anon, it isn't a dick measuring contest.
Iowa has some of the highest fricking taxes in America you larping homosexual
>thread is about the midwest
>WELL IOWA HAS BAD TAX RATES!!!
And Indiana has some of the best real estate tax rates out there as well as pretty reasonable income tax rates. Hell some of those states have no state income tax and fairly reasonable real estate taxes. North and South Dakota don't even have state income tax IIRC.
Thought this was about the Midwest not single state talk?
I can't keep you fat fricks straight, sorry but this board needs IDs
I said a state with no state income tax, Iowa has state income tax. Not hard to at least have some reading comprehension here anon. I thought you knew what the midwest was like but you don't even know their basic taxes? At least try to be knowledgeable about the states there anon. This place doesn't need ID's because then we'd see your obsessive shitposting in this thread, which isn't that hard to figure out anyways.
Thank you for the perfect demonstration of how insufferable Midwesterners are.
>says a bunch of shit about the midwest that's all Cali-tier brain
>gets told wrong during rampid shitposting
>F-FRICKING MIDWESTERNERS
New Yorker here, you're the biggest homosexual in the thread by far.
And the cost of land / housing is stupid cheap, so it really doesn't matter. You can grab a <100k house in Cedar rapids IA, that's for this board +75% white, it doesn't matter. You're still paying far less than the morons who buy a 350k+ housing in Cali that might get you 900 sq ft, with a "lower tax bracket" per year on your property.
Hell with 120-150k, if you bought a house around Dayton OH or St. Cloud MN. The market is so cheap that the big "Uhhh tax bros?" it really doesn't matter unless you're planning to actively go NEET mode. This board and biz fail to also realize cost of living being a huge factor, where in the midwest you're cost of living and goods is often far lower than states with the lowest property tax.
Actually nvm looked up the unemployment+EBT/SNAP for those states, even if you became a lazy NEET you'd still be making it pretty good with enough to pay yearly property tax with ease.
I just bought a house in a Cedar Rapids suburb for $300k in the richest school district and an established neighborhood, plus I grew up here
I can tell you the area that the house in your picture is in is the most ghetto part of Cedar Rapids. Low income apartments, urban youths running around everywhere, loud music all the time, businesses in disrepair. That area was far enough inland to not be flooded in 2008 so there's no excuse
I hate when I have to go downtown because the only way there is 1st Avenue, right past that area. Bums crossing the street when they please, weed in the air, stoplights every block
Honestly I hate downtown Cedar Rapids and I spend as much time away from it as possible
>I spent more money and got something better
Amazing anon, I think the point was more to say that you get more for your money in the midwest than you can in coastal cities. Anyone buying a <100k house that isn't looking to flip it or has a remote job just wanting to min/max their lifestyle; might want to rethink their investment.
>Bums crossing the street when they please, weed in the air, stoplights every block
Compared to the shit I have to deal with in my city that's literally peaceful. Personally I'd just buy something closer to the city limits with some breathing space but that's a personal choice.
Looking up city-data and crime stats it's still far lower than anything that I live by. I would be paying 600k+ with an HOA to have those crime stats even remotely similar. 80k is a fricking steal
Didn’t Saint Floyd die in Minneapolis?
>200k
>nothing to do
anon, the problem might be (you)
>Most trees are planted by farm houses to keep the wind from blowing away their place.
>two girls surrounded by 20 dudes all trying to get their attention.
Hurts just a little
>Going to Iowa State
What a pussy. Go Hawks
>I went to U of I in Iowa City and the girls were hot. I had a great time.
Smart man.
>Iowa has some of the highest fricking taxes in America
Unfortunately he's right but passed legislation has that burden being reduced starting in 2024.
>You can grab a <100k house in Cedar rapids IA, that's for this board +75% white
Avoid CR and just move to Marion... 95% white
>MIdwest requires a car meaning it's off the table. Yeah it's cheaper but
lease something
Who in the frick leases a car in 2024. Also auto insurance is about $85/mo on my 2020 Acadia.
Finland is just like the Midwest then. Young guys in small towns do the exact same thing called a “kylärinki” where they just aimlessly drive back and forth in the tiny little center of their town in cars or mopeds hoping something interesting is happening. Chatting with some drunk old man smoking a cigarette is usually the highlight of the afternoon. I’d still take that over living near “diversity”.
Finland, Swedish and Norweigan culture heavily influenced the area of the US known as the "upper midwest" which includes states such as Minnesota and Wisconsin.
word soup
you sound like a seething israelite.
the. midwest was tolerable when you could buy a house for 40k. it's a cultural dead zone with miserable people all the shitty factories and food processing plants employee illegals.
it's OK if you want to live in peace and raise a family but it's miserable if you're a single person that wants to meet people and enjoy cultural offerings. people are afraid of strangers and don't wanna talk to you unless they know you work for the church.
You can still get a house easily for <80k that's a 2br/1ba, might be pushing it for a 3BR unless you want to put some elbow grease into it or willing to make some sacrifices on location.
>people are afraid of strangers and don't wanna talk to you unless they know you work for the church.
LOL not even, it's just that's one of the most easiest places to socialize in some places. Unless you're incapable of going to the bar and introducing yourself during a sports game and holding a conversation that isn't about women and cooming; it should be easy.
If you're willing to just sit and listen to people actively tell you every part about their society, which they will, you'll make friends and acquaintances very easily.
>LOL not even, it's just that's one of the most easiest places to socialize in some places.
no i live in central indiana and it fricking sucks.people are 100% afraid of strangers the natives are mouth breathing rubes. i hate it here. starting a business i can get away from is a major life regret.
>i live in central indiana and it fricking sucks
You mean the #1 state for people working in witness protection? Zamn, nice typing there Pedro
Pretty accurate from my experience. I lived in Minnesota for two years and the only thing I'll add is the amount of beautiful blonde girls that tan super well once the summer finally hits is really nice. I would meet strangers at the gas station or grocery store who would just want to talk about their weekend. Super friendly people but I lived in a nice area. Worst part were the Somalians. They all have no jaw and stink so they're pretty miserable to be around. All in all I would live there if I had to but it's so flat and depressing 8-9 months of the year. Literally nothing to do but lake activities and drink outdoors. Or just drive around the fields I guess.
I live in Minnesota, lived here my entire life, I am beyond bored of this place, sick of the cold, the fat c**ty women, somalis, etc, the rest of the midwest also seems pretty boring with the exception of Chicago, any suggestions to move a new place? Thinking Florida, Arizona, Cali, Texas, or just live outside the us would be the ideal solution, it is becoming unbearable here.
cont.
With one caveat; white flight from decaying inner cities will not show up on the county level, so a growing metro region often does have a shithole at its center.
This map reveals just how much of the Midwest has no significant minority population, especially when compared to other regions of America.
I'm planning on taking my camper minivan around the Midwest this summer, after returning from six months in Asia.
>summer
>midwest
Why the frick would you do that? That's when the mosquitoes rule.
As opposed to what? Enjoying the brisk -50 of North Dakota or Minnesota? Ahhhhhhhhh so beautiful and free
Yes. So comfy
If global warming could hit that’d be great, I’d be fine with 0 all winter or even -10/20 without the wind
this winter wasn’t too bad though tbh we got lucky
>canada or russia at negative 50
:O
>ND negative 50
🙁
It really only dips that cold in the tundra places where there is nothing to stop the wind and even then, you know that shit's coming and plan for it. Hell most apartments and condo's out here are required to pay for heating the building due to some extremes in winter. Those -50F things last for a few hours if that long, usually around 3-4am and then go back up. Still cold shit during a blizzard but complaining about cold in winter is lol.
The best parts of the midwest are the community, immigrants to the US not being nogs on welfare, schools not suffering from "highschoolers shouldn't do math because das racis", people who won't spout tons of bullshit because in the big city they don't have to back shit up, and low cost of living with decent jobs. I live in fargo and sure, not seeing the mountains each morning is a bit of a bummer but honestly I forgot about it all the time. Being able to walk home from the bar at night without needing to question if I need a gun or pocket knife is good enough for me.
Oh yeah, and being able to take home most my paycheck rather than dump it into rent is really nice.
Seems people are moving to warmer climates besides moving for jobs and better landscapes.
Most people moved because jobs went remote or finally had an excuse to GTFO of Cali. Seriously that state lost a metric frick ton of business and people as everyone moved to cheaper and actually greener pastures.
It’s all the same culturally. Chicago is the only cool city, the rest is a dump of chain stores and asphalt
The larger cities in the mid-west are filled with poor blacks and have serious violent crime problems. Chicago, St Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, Kansas City, Little Rock Arkansas, Tulsa, Rockford Illinois, Kalamazoo, Milwaukee, South Bend, Cincinnati, Flint, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Lansing, Akron, Toledo, Dayton, Peoria, Witchita, and Springfield Missouri all routinely rank among the top 25 most violent cities in the US.
Besides the crime, there aren't a lot of good national parks. A giant glacier flattened the entire place 10,000 years ago, so there aren't any mountains, and therefore no skiing to enjoy during the terrible winters. It's so flat that storms are really bad and they get tornadoes. Truthfully, the only large mid-west city worth visiting is Chicago. The first time I drove across country, I planned to stop at the St Louis arch, but when I pulled off the highway, it was so ghetto that I didn't even slow down. I just got back on the highway and kept driving.
No one smart in the midwest lives in those insanely segregated spots of the city. Something people from the west coast always forget is the white flight that happened and racks those numbers in to the city names. Most always the people in those crime areas don't leave their areas and you know just not to go into them. If you have rolled a 0 perception in life then you're going to find out the hard way.
> therefore no skiing to enjoy during the terrible winters
Damn, sucks people literally can't get on a plane and fly somewhere. Also Black Hills SD would like a word with you.
This. Milwaukee, for instance, is half black but has Jim crow-tier segregation. The blacks live north and west of the interstate and you can buy a 2-3BR house there for $50-100k. They have a gunshot detection network wired in those neighborhoods and there are probably 5 shootings reported every night. East of the interstate and 5 miles from the city is almost all White and some of the best bang for your buck in the US. The aggregate stats keep out coastal morons (who never learning their lesson would be aghast to learn if such segregation anyway)
>The aggregate stats keep out coastal morons (who never learning their lesson would be aghast to learn if such segregation anyway)
The situation is quite similar on the coast most of the time. The larger cities and greater concentration of Asians muddies things a bit but you can see clearly from the map of NYC posted up in the thread(
) that blue zones remain quite distinct from the green zones.
I think one difference is that unlike what that anon linked, the segregation in midwest cities keep the most shit in those "wrong side of the tracks". Where as in Chicago, NYC, LA, etc all the shit spills over into your neighbor there where as in smaller cities and towns that shit is almost 100% silo'd into their shit zones. Cops tend to know everyone and what's going on in these smaller midwest towns; the same goes for the people knowing who's who.
Growing up in a similarly sized metro along the coast of VA we still have stupid shit all over, moving to the midwest? Never have to wonder what parts of towns are sketch or not, you just fricking know in about a day what the lay of the land is.
I always find it funny when my friends visit me in the midwest and fail to understand this, it's how to tell so many coasties who've never lived in the midwest are up in arms. Most will stick into a small neighborhood or be situated around the college if there is one in town; which generally the college will make up most the % of said towns ethic groups in that case.
>but there still is nothing to DO!
If you've lived in a smaller city, outer metro, or large-ish town; it's really not hard to be social and make connections faster than the cities I've found. At least I don't constantly have to wonder what the person saying to me is bullshit talk vs actual down to earth conversation. That's probably the worst shit about cities is how literally everyone's made it so big but still get pissy at their bar tab after drinking PBR.
>A giant glacier flattened the entire place 10,000 years ago, so there aren't any mountains, and therefore no skiing to enjoy
> filled with poor blacks and have serious violent crime problems.
> it was so ghetto
>skiing
NOT A HEKKIN 3 HOUR DRIVE TO A RESORT TO SKI!!!!
The food is bad, theres less to do than other U.S Areas and the people there are fat
Summer is best in Milwaukee
>Food scene underrated
>Low COL
>Tons of festivals, come to Summerfest
>Best concert crowds in the world, ask your favorite band
>Beautiful lakefront
>World-class museum and opera
>German restaurants and bars
>Day-drinking is normal life, some jobs still allow you to drink at lunch
oh and avoid North side and the many undesirables. Carjacking is a big issue. Should be fine in groups/downtown/etc but keep your head.
You forgot way too many blacks.
Black person packed shithole you homosexual fricking b***h
>It’s the most American part of America
fun fact: most wild west stories happened between the rockies and mississippi.
>Jesse James
>Bill Hickok
>Doc Holiday
>Nathaniel Reed
>Jim Younger
>William Brooks
all these lived/worked in the midwest
crime and degeneracy has always existed in the midwest, what we see today is nothing new.
>Bonnie and Clyde
Yeah, I wonder why
Because of Texas?
I know places in Florida that look just like that, yet all of the hoes are spending thousands of dollars to come bawd it up in Miami.
all deserved and then some
>t. SHITwesterener
The Midwest was once totally smooth. No friction at all. There were many Native American tribes that met their end by slipping and sliding all the way to the Rocky Mountains, where they crashed and were broken against the rocks. European explorers largely met the same fate, until Lewis and Clark personally planted 5 trillion square miles of cornfield to give the land friction. The work was hard, and there were many Native American tribes that tried to stop them from sealing the land beneath corn, but they eventually made it. The skinwalkers adapted, as they always will. They learned to camouflage themselves and hunt the settlers that build their homes from the corn. Those that escaped the yellow fields were recruited into the CIA and FBI.
The government doesn't want you to know this. They're trying to suppress the real history of our homeland.
There's a number of reasons, but mainly because they make for a good oblivious punching bag with no ammo. The South insulting "Yankies" doesn't work so good when the Mid-Altantic/New England is obviously more successful than them in most pursuits. Therefore, going after the humbler Yankee states makes more sense. The Mountain States can go after them because mountains are more titilating to the 90% than wetlands and fields. The West Coast can go after them because Indiana is a reverse California in every way that matters, even when you compare rural parts. New England can go after them because despite having the same "vibe" as Pennsylvania, they aren't 350 year old states.
Lastly, the Midwest doesn't care about state competition so they won't really hit back. This is all avoiding the obvious race resentment angle, but that's often unconscious.
>The South insulting "Yankies" doesn't work so good when the Mid-Altantic/New England is obviously more successful than them in most pursuits.
>New England can go after them because despite having the same "vibe" as Pennsylvania, they aren't 350 year old states.
Southern boy here. Yankeegays are too far up their own ass to think that being a 350 year old state matters worth a damn.
Yeah it’s cool to go visit and see colonial shit but it does nothing to improve your quality of life to know that they landed on some rock hundreds of years ago.
Fat
I find it funny this thread is filled with people who wouldn't be happy no matter where they lived.
I left the Midwest and I couldn't ; happier. No more fake people and actual shit to do.
Doomerism is a Midwestern invention. Europeans fled the 19th century revolutions for a place where they could live their simple lives in peace. The road to success was paved with the fear of God, the dignity of hard work, and the avoidance of vice. These attitudes are ingrained in the young Midwesterner from youth by simply breathing the humid air, and this ideology persists through generations. Even the seemingly anti-Midwestern Woke mind virus has mutated to take on this Midwestern Doomerism: Fear of God replaced by fear of social judgment, the dignity of hard work replaced by the compulsion to protest publicly and loudly and persistently, the avoidance of vice in the form of self-flagellation for not being a pious enough globohomosexual ... there is much to be said about the Midwesterner that cannot be fit into a single post, but much of it remains undiscovered by outsiders due to our naturally laconic nature. The mysteries of the Midwestern temperament are for the Midwesterners alone to keep to themselves.
Nah we stick to ourselves because every fricking coastie has to tell us JUST HOW DIFFERENT EVERYTHING IS! DID YOU KNOW HOW MUCH X WOULD COST BACK HOME!?!?!? LOL!!!! then proceed to tell us how they are "JUST LIKE YOU GUYS MAN I LOVE NATURE AND SHIT THAT'S WHY I'M FROM LA!"
It has more to do with the fact coasties try so damn hard to 'fit in' when they could simply just be themselves and shut up for 1 attosecond and think before talking. I'm fricking tired of hearing someone go LOL DUDE THESE PORTIONS ARE HUGE DID YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THIS WOULD COST BACK IN MY CITY? and other dumbfricking shit. Nothing gets under my skin more than meeting someone who works in tech as well and goes "bro with that kind of money you could live in LA!" yeah dude I can't wait to sit in traffic most the day to get to anything, or pay out the ass for shit, and do all the things you were just complaining about. Sure dude let me take my 100k/yr job to where I live as a king to live like a fricking poorgay in LA smog. Ahh true freedom! At least that view is nice!
not reading all that but okay
The midwest sucks balls. The only reason to live here is because you can't afford to live somewhere else.
Of course, incels that sit at home on the computer all day are just fine with living in the midwest. If you don't go outside, it doesn't matter where you live.
>If you don't go outside, it doesn't matter where you live.
If anyone on SighSee went outside of their house, they would know this.
Consider this fact: If you live in a LCOL area you have the potential to save more after every paycheck. If you really care a lot about traveling; you can then use said money for that activity. That's the advantage of living in the Midwest.
you're in the top 10% if you make over $30k where i live
30% of $100k is better than 60% of $30k
Does anyone on this board actually travel, or does everyone just larp like 2613130?
souless. fat people eating bad food
You're goddamn right colorado isn't in the Midwest. I hate getting lumped in with those Pennsylvania Dutch yokels.
The Midwest fricking sucks. Anyone defending it was born there and will die there. I moved to Chicago 6 months ago. It’s a good city but outside of that, the Midwest is a wasteland. I gravitate towards places with outdoor access and it’s probably one of the worst places in the country for that. The girls I’ve dated here are funny. Moving to Chicago is the pinnacle of existence for them. They haven’t traveled much if at all, never mind living anywhere else. They are quite risk adverse. Not saying this is exclusive to the Midwest but has been a trend I’ve picked up on.
Because of the weather and lack of outdoors access, their “culture” is very consumer based. Heavy drinking and eating. I would not want to live here forever.
>it’s probably one of the worst places in the country for that.
Yep. They just don't get it. If you're born somewhere with big skies and mountains in at least one direction the midwest is just bleak as hell.
This leads to a general blandness among the population. Midwesterners are also easily impressed. Give them something that is banal in more interesting parts of the country but completely novel to them, like the In & Out secret menu (yes, this really happened) and they'll get on their phone to tell all their friends about it.
Nobody is disputing the fact that white people in the midwest are nice, inoffensive, great people to drink a beer with and unlikely to steal your bicycle. But the appeal of the region really ends there.
The big problem is that we need to make the rest of the country nice, inoffensive, great people to drink a beer with and unlikely to steal your bicycle, and we know that instead of that happening it will only get worse.
>I moved to Chicago 6 months ago. It’s a good city but outside of that, the Midwest is a wasteland.
Chicago is in the midwest idiot
>They haven’t traveled much if at all, never mind living anywhere else.
And here I was thinking ORD was a major international airport... damn
You have the reading comprehension of a midwesterner.
You are beyond moronic
>It's probably one of the worst places in the country for that
Michigan alone is better than most states
How in the FRICK is that west?
I'm hoping you're euro or something and not really this unfamiliar with your own country.
The "mid-west" was named as in the early history of the country, the settled part of the country was the east coast states east of the Appalachian Range and west of those mountains, was the "west" which at the time, was the unsettled frontier. The mid-west was the middle area, just starting to be settled by whites, between the far west, that was still unsettled frontier west of the Rockies.
myself and my brother were born in raised in a city which i will not name but is very very famous and sought out for both for relocating and especially to travel to. for reasons related to work, my brother gets b***hslapped to obscure places to live temporarily for a couple years then moves. two of those places are grand rapids, MI and recently, omaha, NE. ive visited both long enough to get a feel for each place and here's my synopsis. they are basically the epitome of whats wrong with white culture/people/americlaps in general. its stale, stagnant, outdated, noncompetitive. they collectively default to conservatism on the premise that worked in the past, should work now. the result is a mind blowing level of the exact opposite of remarkableness. i have literally NEVER in my life, seen a situation where you can go downtown to a public space with dozens or HUNDREDS of people coming in and out and EVERYONE was wearing some combinations of dark/neurtral/earth toned pantagonia/colombia/north face puffy vests, fleeces, 1/2 zip downs, hiking pants, hiking boots, and NOTHING else. and i live in a city that gets cold enough in the winter to justify have dedicated winterwear. the level of conformity is mind boggling. what i just described was in grand rapids. now i visited omaha recently and the situation was much different. still a high level of 'standard midwest uniform' but there was far more variety. i feel most of the hate comes from the fact that they have to gall to take pride in ANYTHING. the same way the rednecks take pride in 'working and NOT being a fricking Black person', the only thing you have going for you is that you arent the fricking south and... nothing else.
/rant
Apart from tornadoes, Midwest is easily one of the most overpowered places for humans to live on the entire planet. Top-tier soil, plenty of water, many long navigable rivers, spacious, gentle terrain. Great for farming, manufacturing, and building homes. But it's not a very attractive place for SighSee tourism because
- Whites have only settled there for 200 years, so no ancient or medieval architecture to wank over.
- Few destitute girls for mutual exploitation.
- No scenic mountains, beaches, or similar natural tourist attractions. The best wilderness (northern Minnesota) is also the least typical of midwest, geographically.
- The gentle geography means there's not much need for creative urban designs.
- Extreme normalgay sports, food and religious culture.
- Trends in the last 25-50 years have been rough on the midwest--urban decay, white flight, globalization, loss of manufacturing, population drain (techies to Silicon Valley, cute girls to LA and NY City, and overall migration to nice weather sunbelt cities) and of course fentanyl.
>- Whites have only settled there for 200 years, so no ancient or medieval architecture to wank over.
Define white in America.
Swedes, Italians and Polish aren't White. King George sold Irish off as Slaves
>Define white in America.
Any European.
>Swedes, Italians and Polish aren't White.
Yes they are, fricking cancerous European racial nitpicking. And I can even nitpick you harder why not distinguish between Northern and Southern Italians?
And in context it clearly doesn't matter, the point is that there's almost no meaningful pre-Columbian architecture in the Midwest. Land-bridge Americans were nomadic and did not build permanent settlements. And those that did, did not have advanced architecture. There are the mound-builders but that's about it and they were mostly gone before Euros arrived. Whites aren't the only race to have architecture (plenty of old architecture in China and India for example). But almost everything in the US Midwest was built there in the last 200 years by humans with European heritage.
In contrast, the iconic buildings in Red Square, Moscow were finished almost 500 years ago, just a few years after Columbus arrived in the Caribbean. Buildings in other European countries are much older than that.
>Yes they are, fricking cancerous European racial nitpicking. And I can even nitpick you harder why not distinguish between Northern and Southern Italians?
That's your definition as what counts as white. If you talked to an average American back in the 18th century, he'd tell you that the only people who count as white are the English, Dutch, and maybe the French.
You're still missing the point, moron.
't know about Native Mounds
I'm very familiar with the mounds in fact I thought I had mentioned them it looks like I accidentally edited it out.
Either way, Mississippian civilization was already disintegrating before Europeans arrived. The largest city, Cahokia, was abandoned a century before Columbus.
Contrast with Europe, where you have cities that have been in continuous habitation for over 2,000 years with surviving architecture to show for it. There are castles and palaces and cathedrals dating to Roman times and through the middle ages as kingdoms and empires rose and fell. The Byzantine empire might be gone but Hagia Sophia is still there. There are still castles in Prague though the Holy Roman Empire no longer exists. Republic of Venice is defunct but Venice itself is still there.
A handful of man-made hills in an already somewhat hilly landscape just don't compete with that as a tourist attraction.
The Midwest (and the Southwest too) is actually a hotbed for researching preagrarian and early agrarian societies. It's one of the few places agriculture emerged independently that didn't become urbanized and repeatedly destroyed in various wars, so the archeological record is fairly clean
Im not going to doxx myself in anyway but I live near a place that 8s famous for native american mounds. In a remote place of my familys property there is an obvious mound that is not natural with mature trees. A neighbor told us to keep it a secret because a few natives will try to claim it
>Swedes, Italians and Polish aren't White.
Are you an eastern European, Redneck, or Brazilian?
Well said - I agree as a person from Wisconsin.
>doesn't know about Native Mounds
Actually no one does. I live 15 minutes away from Aztalan. Often the only person there. Probably standing on the dead bodies of Red Bull, Big Head, and many more Chieftans. Saw a Bald eagle there the other year.
I like to imagine storming Blackhawk's clan here. No mercy.
And they hated him fore he spake the truth.
I’ve lived through hurricanes and something about these Midwest tornadoes look terrifying. It’s demonic-looking the way they twist the sky into something scary.
MIdwest requires a car meaning it's off the table. Yeah it's cheaper but
>600/mo lease something
>300/mo insurance
>500/mo gas (if lucky)
Nah at least here in Seattle I can walk to the store and back without spending an hour to do so. It's literally just down stairs lol
We have planned neighborhoods in the midwest. Also downtown areas dont require a car
>Borrowing money for a car
If you can't find a shitbox for less than a thousand dollars on Facebook, then you're a failure of a Midwesterner.
>Get a shitbox that breaks down in the middle of a deadly snowstorm
ITT: people realizing they aren't really sociable
Midwest is GOAT if you're not an autistic introvert who thinks "they" are out for you. I'd be willing to bet most people here are IT dorks and could pick up a remote job that would have them living like a millionare and at that point why are you bothering with fatties. Keep in mind if you think the girls are porkers, the men in the midwest are making your 5/10 ass look like a 8 or 9/10 by default if you lack a beer gut and have a stable paycheck. Why you would be bothering complaining about fat b***hes is silly unless you think the roadside gas station bar next to TA's trucker stop. Want a real metric? Look at high school graduation rates compared to a city and midwest pop <300k place. The pay is good, the weather is fine(winter is winter), and the land is cheap. If I want to go to California for winter I would, or I could just fly to hawaii or Singapore and spend the winter there.It's not hard to get a ride into town for a flight.
I can't tell if this thread is trying to gatekeep westies out but holy shit I can tell the people who've been vs the people who haven't.
>the place with nothing to do, boring people, and drab weather is not good for autistic introverts
>it’s actually the perfect environment for le social butterflies such as myself
Are you moronic
He is saying you will meet good people unless youre a b***h
>Best place to be a fisherman? The desert. You will catch fish unless you’re a b***h.
Autistic introverts wouldn’t care and they wouldn’t meet good people elsewhere anyways, so might as well rot inside somewhere where it’s cheap
Bro you are on SighSee
No shit moron, hence why gays in this thread love the region where they can cheaply rot indoors alone.
Anon this board is full of fricking autistic introverts who seriously care about so much shit they hear and want to experience that they spend thousands to fly to Asia to feel important.
>Autistic introverts wouldn’t care and they wouldn’t meet good people elsewhere anyways
Truth bomb for ya:
most the people on SighSee are huge losers. Most lie stating they some BS financial business that at the end of the day is just crypto winnings. They are super fricking nervous of forming a relationship where someone might put 2+2 together and realize they got jack shit going on. Oh frick that cute girl I saw at the bar last weekend is still here? SHIT PANTS! most SighSee wants is a pump and dump "well you see I am actually a multimillonaire back home" kinda BS life style. Going out and seeking relationships is hard and that's what midwest america is best known for.
Also the big appeal of owning a home you have to be responsible for and maintain scares most anons
Yes, I don’t want to invest time into a roastie prostitute who, best case scenario is faithful but still nags the shit out of me and I don’t want to own a home where I need to spend hours cursing because I don’t know how to fix the damn thing that’s broken that I am responsible for.
Im in Iowa and have plans tonight and upcoming weekends. Its nice to be able to drive where you want, park close and walk in and hang out with your friends
>Im in Iowa and have plans tonight and upcoming weekends. Its nice to be able to drive where you want, park close and walk in and hang out with your friends
I agree. Never worrying about parking is comfy. And you never have to pay for a monthly spot unless you work downtown.
What are the downsides of the midwest
Mostly our women
>fat women
>hoeflation
Contrary to what that poster said, men here mog most of the country. This is heaven on earth for a femanon. Competition for slim pickens for the guys, is probably why a lot of hate. Money doesn't attract the women here as much.
I love Wisconsin. Chicago is awesome too. Other than women, we have a minority (black) problem that likes to do home invasions, car jackings, muggings, and ruin any cities public schools. Sigh, so close to perfection. I live in a little town in between Madison and Milwaukee. So, I get to visit, have fun. Then the best part, I get to go home. People don't even lock their doors here.
Also the drinking can get excessive
now for some Midwest history
Culture:
>2000s had a huge Ska/Punk scene in the suburbs of Chicago and Milwaukee
>Midwest Emo is still popular to this day, some DJs here play only emo and it is wildly popular
>Milwaukee has best concert/rave crowds in USA
History:
>Blackhawk war was fought in Midwest, Lincoln was in the militia
>In 1854, Republican party was born in Ripon, Wisconsin, due to it being the first publicized anti-slavery meeting to propose a new party
>The Iron Brigade, also known as The Black Hats, Black Hat Brigade, Iron Brigade of the West, and originally King's Wisconsin Brigade was an infantry brigade in the Union Army of the Potomac during the American Civil War. Although it fought entirely in the Eastern Theater, it was composed of regiments from three Western states that are now within the region of the Midwest. Noted for its strong discipline, its unique uniform appearance and its tenacious fighting ability, the Iron Brigade suffered the highest percentage of casualties of any brigade in the war. Picrel.
>In 1910 Wisconsin elected the first Socialist congressman, Victor Berger
Underrated posts.
>Jews and Asians
>Mormons and Catholics
Where the frick is this coming from?
The biggest downside is probably the requirement of owning a car which really isn't all that bad considering how cheap they are like in pic. It will get you between cities with ease. That's probably one of the biggest filters for people here on SighSee who either don't know how to drive or don't have a license.
If you're not sociable then midwest is probably suicide for you.
Major airports are often farther away so you'll often be taking a connection to get abroad.
I guess for that one gay, you can't walk outside and ski, though I could drive to WV in a few hours to some GOAT places that aren't crowded with every caligay on the slopes.
Places to eat often close down early so no eating tbell at 4AM drunk.
People will remember you if you frick up hard
Internet speeds aren't the best, I only get 250/100 for 50/mo no data cap
The weather can be brutal at times, you might have a week or two where it's blizzard and you're stuck at home but not a real big issue. Often the neighbors will want to do something to pass the time.
You'll often need to do things yourself rather than pedro at home depot
>WV
>GOAT places
Damn we got some real fricking morons in here. Why the frick are you going to drive 3 hours for a shitty hill when you have a shitty hill near you, dumbfrick? And who are you kidding when you list shitwestern bunny hills as ski resorts?
You don't need to pretend to know anything about skiing if you're not a skier.
I lived a decade in the Arizona snow bowl and CO, so yeah know at least something. I just picked the closest one on google, the Appalachian Mountains have a frick ton of ski resorts but spoiler alert, ski'ing really isn't that big of a deal for most people when compared to cost of living that is part of your daily life. Personally I prefer to white water raft myself, but dunking on the midwest because of the ability to ski is just borderline autistic. I'm not even sure why you would be in this thread if ski'ing is your life.
>ski'ing really isn't that big of a deal for most people when compared to cost of living that is part of your daily life.
For upper middle class+ whites, skiing is a borderline religion. I never got it either, but maybe that's because I grew up middle class in Kent, Ohio (so, lower middle class USA)
and ya.....midwest is NOT about living in a city lmao. maybe near one or in river north chicago, but that's about it. the main appeal would be a comfy (college town) suburb, if at all.
A lot of us just end up leaving tho
>For upper middle class+ whites, skiing is a borderline religion. I never got it either, but maybe that's because I grew up middle class in Kent, Ohio (so, lower middle class USA)
This is sheer delusion, the "taking the family up to ski" is the most boomer mentality for wealth these days.
Nta but it’s kinda true, every richgay I know in the midwest skis.
In the midwest it's for sure a flex but still kinda a dated flex as many cheap flights or weekend bus plans will do something cheap. My coworker would often take off friday and do a bus thursday overnight to some place in the appalachian mountains for stupid cheap, never really saw it much of a huge flex unless going to fly to Aspen or whatever. I guess living by the rockies for a while has skewed my perception of it.
A lot of hardcore skiers are either dirt poor ski bums, or richgays. In the middle you have average people who grew up in the area that learned to ski over the years.
>This is sheer delusion, the "taking the family up to ski" is the most boomer mentality for wealth these days.
reality is delusional? Vail continues to sell more and more lift tickets year over year
I know goldman sachs analysts that moved to Colorado and got into skiing in the last 3 years.
I feel like you and I are in agreement. the lack of world class skiing in the immediate area is one reason why upper middle class+ people won't move (back) to the Midwest.
they'll move to Colorado, WA, CA, etc where continual religous worship of the hobby is possible vs a 1x/3yr pilgrimage on an airplane
I wasn't saying that the Midwest sucks because it doesn't have skiing. It sucks because it's flat, ugly and boring and the cities are crime-ridden Black cesspools. There are also no beaches. And the weather is terrible. And the cheap towns in the middle of nowhere have literally zero culture and nothing to do.
The Great Lakes doesn't have beaches?
No and those would be stupid shit anyways. I live in Cali can go to the beach right fricking now and go ski this weeken. Get fricked at the BBC filling hole with the fat hoes
>You'll often need to do things yourself rather than pedro at home depot
Unironically my biggest hurdle
I’m not autistic but I just don’t care about football or the local baconfest.
I can throw back some beers though if I’m not the one driving (tho they make me piss a lot more than the average person)
Because it's terrible, and full.
>be midwest gay
>buy picrel in full because of how cheap it is
>taxes are about a bit high but only talking 1300 or so a year
>plenty of things to do each weekend
>the women I know aren't fat mostly because I don't hang out thinking I'll get something good by hanging out down at the Applebees
>food is stupid cheap in summer thanks to all the farms, still cheapish throughout the year anyways
>only have a car because buying a used one in the midwest is cheap got a honda Civic for ~3500
>friends with all my neighbors who help shovel snow from time to time
>they watch over my house when I am gone pay their kid to mow my lawn while away
>don't have to worry of porch pirates and can even leave my doors unlocked at night
>crime is a thing in this city but you know the bad areas that are nest eggs because of section 8
>house and property just sitting there to accumulate wealth for me faster than inflation is happening
>if a recession happens I can basically live at home for probably 5 or so years before I need a job
>that amazing feel when I bank every paycheck I get essentially while I see people seethe on an anime board supposedly full of richgays who piss it away
I will never stop loving these threads of absolute seethe from coastal idiots. Most these posts seem to be by people who watched Trailer Park Boys not realizing that was in Canada. For a travel board you all really don't seem to do all that much outside complain about women and nogs. Why the frick are you guys putting yourselves in situations with minorities and fat women. Go to your local gym, don't hang out at Applebees thinking that's where the bar meets happen, stick to groups around your hobbies. If you all are as rich as you say you are getting the creme of the crop is a literal free pass to pussy.
Yeah it's a huge misconception that American house-centric small-town culture means anti-social loner culture. But it's true that you can quickly run out of dating options. It's much better if you already have a mate.
The dating pool is smaller yeah, but that's generally why I live on the outskirts of a bigger city such as Springfield OH, Dayton isn't unreasonably far away to look and see. If a girl wants to move in we are talking a ~30 minute drive to downtown which again, isn't unreasonable given the fact you can basically live for free. Hell I can even uber to Dayton if I want.
If anything there was less social meetings with my neighbors when I lived in VA/AZ/Cali; most I never even knew them outside their car and first name. Complete 180 in the midwest, people want to meet and greet and keep each-other company.
>I will never stop loving these threads of absolute seethe from coastal idiots
Well this is the travel board, not the "good places to live" board. There are a few gems in the midwest as far as tourism goes, but for the most part there's not a lot to see that you wouldn't find in any other American city. I do agree that it's a great place to live in for relatively cheap, but if you're the type that likes going out to shows and whatnot you'll hate living there because there's supposedly nothing to do.
>There are a few gems in the midwest as far as tourism goes
I think a big issue is that the tourist destinations are all very spread out. The Midwest is a big place and the general character is "flat, rural farmland and practical, car-centric cities." Points of interest are the exception, in contrast to a place like the Pacific Northwest where where there's interesting geography wherever you go.
>Wisconsin Dells
Why in the world would you want to go there? Isn't it just a tourist trap comprising of water parks and malls?
Wrong
There's water parks and malls, but there's also mini golf, weird attractions like a Ripley's Believe It or Not museum and the Tommy Bartlett Exploratory, hiking trails, and the actual dells themselves and extreme landscape (for Wisconsin)
I love the midwest so much that I'm gone 75% of the time
Yeah because I can come back home and not have a family of minorities squatting in it followed by BLM telling me I can't evict them because they din do nuffin. My home is accruing value all the time and is better than renting a storage unit for all my things. It's far better than coming back to the USA and doing a month to month pre-furnished apartment.
Like where the frick do you all stay when you aren't traveling?
I love a place I'm for most of the year not there.
Hey man this place seems to love SEA but only seems to be able to go a month out of the year.
>tfw the way of life you were born into is slowly dying and it's partially your fault for being so cynical and leaving it behind
340k for a 5br, 3br in between Madison. Milwaukee, and Chicago. Massive house and yard. Suck it coasties.
>itt: seething urbanoid redditors and trannies
Are these "urbanoid redditors and trannies" in the room with us now?
They're in this thread, so yeah you could say that.
>read thread
Only people who are up in arms are coastie roasties getting mad at a low cost of living. Gives me far more money to travel abroad and build equity at the same time. I'm happy knowing the fact when I get done with traveling I won't be questioning my financial situation at all.
There are two polar powers in the US. The 'Old Money' in the East Coast and the 'New Money' in the West Coast. The midwest gets flak because they're a bit like China when it refuses to acknowledge that only the US and Europe actually matter - they're convinced that they should be a polar power and it simply isn't so.
That's pretty much the story with the midwest. They think they matter and they don't, so the people that do matter have to keep smacking them down like some upstart shitter. Simple as.
What the frick is this pol level schizo brain logic.
Man reading this thread, where the frick are you all hanging out in the mid west that is just fat b***hes all the time? Like where the frick does SighSee actually fricking go in the midwest to judge the women? The loves gas station or some shit? lmao."YYYYYUUUUUUPPP I WENT DOWN TO SEE THE 9'ers PLAY AND WHOOO LEMME TELL YA BUNCH OF COWS DOWN THERE ARE THE CHILI'S THIS SUNDAY BOYS WHOOO WHITE MANS CULTURE IS DEAD HEHEHEH. LEMME GO BACK TO FRICKIN 6TH STREET RIGHT NOW"
I don't get it you all spend like thousands of dollars to go for a quick sneed and feed in SEA, but you guys can't take 2 seconds to at least travel around the midwest and see some of the greatest nature on earth.
Great reference in your pic
I grew up in the midwest and you could not pay me enough to move back there. Absolute shithole.
It doesn't have any culture
Never get why people say this or moreover go gaga over Canda but midwest is uhoh stinky!
Dignity, humbleness, work ethic, and family values are a culture your dopamine fried coastal libtard brain will never understand.
You forget "culture" means something plastered up and in your face and shoved down your throat. At least here. Having to invest a bit of time in the social construct of the area? FRICK THAT!
I take it you've never been to the PNW.
It's just fat people eating at chain restaurants
I jerk off and cum gallons whenever I see the data about how many of you Purdue Pharmaceuticals killed with Oxycontin.
Yeah because theres no morons jumping up and down on cop cars. What an amazing culture. Theyre really missing out.
Minnesota is in the midwest you mouth breathing moron.
Better yet, Minneapolis, Chicago, and Ohio area also in the midwest.
>b-b-but you have to judge my region by us rural folk and I will hate your region for its cities even though mine are just as bad or worse
Lol, not how it works. Southerners need to stfu, they live in Black personville. Midwesterners need to stfu, they live in Black personville. Mid atlantic/new englanders need to stfu, they live in Black personville. Westerners don't even need to stfu their mouths are already full of wiener. Fricking ALASKA has ghettos in Anchorage. Yes, they exported Black folks to the arctic.
Maybe we should all try to stop being moronic c**ts and recognize that these problems aren't able to be simplified to regional problems and that there are *other* more nefarious things going on.
No sorry, what am I saying, let's expend all of our energy getting mad about how taqueesha unjustly aborted her 13th baby or how someone dared to ride a fricking bicycle our street one time.
It's pretty much over, isn't it? Is the demoralization finally complete?
Soiboi capital of the world
>Be muttixed redneck
>live in nowhere
>Seethe about never being able to ski, go to a beach or swim, no mountain hiking, no culture, no anything
>post copium on SighSee all day because nothing to do other than listen to country shoot guns and rev ford 150
>"HELL YEAH GLOBAL WARMING FRICK DA REST OF DA EARTH BEALCH! GOTTA GET DIS HERE SNOW MELTING! SO I CAN GO FRICK MY SYSTER!"
>goes to super bowl party because dumbfrickistan sports can't get the name of the sport right
>get shot
>5 trillion dollars in medical bills
>Got dern bless america! YUP
>seethe and post on SighSee about dumbshit no one cares about because you'll never get holiday in places like Asia, Explore the Alps, or woo a women whilst in a hostel for sloppy strange.
No one is "jealous" you own a cuckshed in the middle of no where, I'd rather be paying 1000/mo for a house I can see beautiful sunsets every day in the west with a good job and ablitiy to fly to Japan than bumfrick redneckville
Owning a home is stupid if anything breaks it's your fault and a waste of space. A condo or flat is all one needs.
Don't cry about boomers owning all the wealth.
Don't cry about being out-bred by shitskins and mudslimes.
>be commiefornian
>spend over half a million to live in compton for ghetto 2 br
>be raped by taxes
>need to own a gun because can't trust urban youth
>neighbor farts you hear it
>shit has to close down during every protest/election year because nogs or spics
>can't go anywhere because highway always clogged
>drop of rain happens car is washed away
>have to constantly hope pajeets and mexicans don't take my job as making 100k is considered poor
yeah man glad you can go ski in great bear lake or whatever, how's that 15 dollar wendy's working for ya
>detached, single stall garage
>wood floors in bathroom
>convenient (??) long-ass driveway
>close to the freeway
>$583 per sq ft in Compton
>perfect for first time buyers
>$645k
how completely dead-ass head-ass ass is the housing situation there, god damn
>pay 3k a month to live in ghetto coastal shithole
>get stabbed
It’s like the Rust Belt or Appalachia. You have to grow up there to like it.
Most people who grow up in the midwest don't like it.
>t. knower
Right. But they don’t leave. Same as the Rust Belt.
t. Rust Belter/Appalachian
You probably have to grow up there to truly hate it too, none of this homosexual
>errrm it’s white and boring and the Hollywood told me it’s le bad!
Midwest = glowies
That would be Utah
as a midwesterner, because its fricking empty
Young midwesterners are sick of the stereotype of midwesterners all being nice and friendly and instead act like demented psychopaths as some kind of twisted overcorrection
Life there isn't worth living
When I tell people I'm from Iowa it's hard to explain to what makes it special to me. We don't have a great historical, or literary, or film culture. We don't have many famous Iowans, and the ones who have become famous did so by leaving for California or Washington. But through this difficulty I think my midwestern identity has developed strongly. There is this feeling of time passing by, and time leaving you behind, and not being tied to much of the troubles of the world but just the land. When I think of my childhood in Iowa it's always the trees and long, rolling green hills. The smell of the corn and hay and the coyotes howling far away. The paint chipping off the decades dilapidated barn and tornado shelter. The little fossilized shells in the steep creekside millions of years old. The starry wet nights and booming thunderstorms. The Midwest makes you feel very small and insignificant in the wide open prairies. Baseball games in the fields. People from California I meet can always point to some movie or music cliche to say "this is what my life was like." But I think we just have these memories that are not easy to share the feeling. This feeling of not belonging to anything greater than the earth is what I think of. The mere experiences of Wichita or Springfield passerby can never really capture this. It gives us a certain character, and I suppose that is what we are really well known for.
Never seen Americans cope this hard about anything before.
I know right flyovers can't help but cope with their shitty no life jobs or anything.
YOU VILL pay 80 k for a trailer surrounded by nuggets and rednecks shooting guns. And you VILL hate anything with sovl. Get fricked boomers this is a travel board not a copieum living in but frick no where board
The Midwest is cheap because there's nothing of value there between the people, food, and nature that aren't surpassed in every other area of America
I feel like this would look spoopy at night.
It's a mostly fallen down now
Oh boy, another coastal snobs vs southern boomers vs midwestern hermits thread. I can’t wait to see all of the new and exciting discourse this will produce.
I figured it out. Midwest is the anti-/trv/.
Sucks to visit, great to live in.
Meanwhile this board like to talk about great to visit, sucks to live in.
There, I’ve solved the whole thread. You can go home now.
>great to live in.
maybe in your fantasy world
The midwest and particularly the upper midwest is highly wholesome, very white, and probably the part of the country least spoiled by degeneracy. Very genuine people, low cost of living, low crime rate, no natural disasters except the odd tornado and those get more and more rare as you go north. No breathtaking scenery but the environment is comfy and there are some kino state parks. It's not somewhere to live if you want a life of excitement but if you're over that phase of your life and want to settle down then it's kino
review:
They are more terrifying in many ways. Hurricanes do cause a lot more total damage because they are huge and last longer, but they're also far more predictable. You're not waking up in the middle of the night with <5 minutes to get into an underground shelter before an EF5 deletes your house and maybe the rest of your neighborhood for good measure. And yeah Supercell storms are the most visually dramatic storms as well.
Thank you anon, I will watch this video after family breakfast. Comments are saying his voice is soothing, and the visuals are exactly what I mean when I say spooky storms
Tornado's can happen pretty much anywhere outside the west coast+rockies and WV. Even then the west has them all the times in the desert but no one really registers them..
>make 85k before yearly bonus
>cost of living was about 2200/mo apartment+utilities
>go full remote
>move to Lincoln NE
>1000 tops for apartment+utilities
>didn't take into consideration foo entertainment, etc all cheaper
>don't need a car or uber as much because safe walkable city only ~3-4 blocks away from all I could need
>take home after taxes up 75-80%
>go from kinda need to watch my spending to travel 2-3 times a year to not worrying that hard and still being well upper middle class
You gotta understand probably 9 out of 10 anons probably are in their mid-late 20's still living at home with their aging parents in places they would have no chance affording if not for bumming off said parents good will as an adult. Most probably work some remote job or have enough free time without rent to save up some allowance or play the crypto game for some small winnings to travel every now and again. I think outside some military anon I bumped into there was only one other anon who moved out and had a stable job when we got to talking most everyone else in the group either was a cagie living at home or had a crypto fund.
When you realize less than 10% of all anons here are actually even thinking long term investments, local safety, income to cost of living ratio, tax rates, and so on; the thread makes perfect sense. The 4% rule is fricking dead and most people here are mostly on a downward spiral of savings 'but waiting for the next big crypto boom!', most aren't considering land and proper equity in their long term goals. Why people with so much crypto can't or straight up won't invest in property often confused me until I realize they live at home or store all their shit with mom and dad at 30.
While the midwest may not be GOAT it's far better for your average anon who wants to put in a decent stable investment for long term planning. With more jobs finally pulling out of high cost of living coastal states the midwest is going to be consistently growing. However maybe someone here has some secret sauce they know about but for me knowing my house will be a decent resell when I am 60-70 and will have not paid some landlord for an apartment I don't own; I can sleep very well at night.
How are rents and apartments in the midwest? Are they also cheap relative to the rest of the country like the housing? I may have to move to Wisconsin for work and I'm wondering how that is because I am 25 and I cannot justify a house just yet.
Depends what you are looking for, if I wanted I could get a studio for <500. Easily get an apartment for ~ 700-750 in Green Bay for a decent enough place. Biggest issue with WI/MN/SD/ND areas is income limits being enforced for some places so you just need to check. Apartments.com often does a good job of listing that though if you rent a house through craigslist you can always get more for your money.
Madison rent prices got fricked
Appleton isn't bad if you have remote work though small airport for travel
La Crosse is meh but the cops will never charge you with anything but will be dicks. Homeless kinda a big problem in summer due to that.
Make sure the place pays for heating, most will pay for heated water+HVAC but never hearts to check.
Prices are probably 1/3 or 1/4 of your typical soulless American metropolitan area, but your wages are probably going to be 1/2 or 1/3 of the jobs you can get there too. The main difference is that apartments in the Midwest are fricking huge. It's not uncommon to rent 1,000 square feet for $600 even today so long as you're willing to commute a bit by car.
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because it's objectively got the least going for it and sucks just as much as areas with more going on
texas sucks as well but there's more going on
in the midwest all you're going to get is some shitty sports team that people take way too seriously because it's literally the only way for them to parasocially feel better than anyone in any way
You frickers are about as interesting as wet cardboard. The midwest is a great place for you morons to go and contain yourselves.
Its crazy that the Midwest (and honestly most of middle America in general) have 6'2+ nordic/german uberchads for their men but all of the foids are fat, disgusting, entitled slobs. In NYC I notice all of the tallgays are always from the midwest
>Its crazy that the Midwest (and honestly most of middle America in general) have 6'2+ nordic/german uberchads
If by uberchads you mean fat fricks, then yeah
moronic just like anywhere else. A studio apartment is 1k minimum (plus utilities, tax, and tip) in Ohio.
>moronic just like anywhere else. A studio apartment is 1k minimum (plus utilities, tax, and tip) in Ohio.
Maybe if only looking at north Polaris, though if you want cheap just go to Dayton unless you're required to go into the office.
>Scandinavians settled predominantly in rural areas of the Midwest and Great Plains ― particularly in Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, and North Dakota.
Because they basically settled around a similar climate around the great lakes for work.
>all of the foids are fat, disgusting, entitled slobs
Stop hanging out at the texmex bar&grills
Midwest had very strong Protestant ideology until the 1990s. The Midwest is still very religious but it's been replaced by cultural Marxism. So instead of passionate devotion to WASP work ethic and humility you have rabid indoctrination on the latest racial/sexual/political bullshit. Shitlibs in the Midwest are honestly the worst. It's all holier than thou women pushing 30 with more cats than children and pussies run through with as many dicks as a 70s porn star. If you live in the small towns you can still have a normal wife and family but the mid-sized cities are infested with this performative nonsense. Again you must realize it's just WASP church culture with Jesus being replaced by Juan the Gentle Landscaper and Domiquan the Dindu Child Support Enjoyer.
The copeium is real. Imagine being so brain rotted by the midwest home ownership is LE GOOD! and then defending real estate agencies.
The Midwest is a cold boring shit hole, with corn, cows, entitled cow women and drunks, everyone here copes about this god awful region. It's a bucket of crabs, anyone who is lucky enough to make it out is usually criticized by those stuck in the Midwest still. It sucks here.
Midwest? More like Chicago-Detroit Extended Metropolitan Area
Souless
...Who the frick decided that red area was the "Midwest" when it clearly should be called the Mideast?
The Western boundary of the US was a lot farther East when it acquired the name.
The United States of America used to be a whole lot smaller than it is now. Then they gained more and more lands by killing natives (pretty much from Arizona to California), illegally purchasing lands through extortions (Alaska and Texas), subverting/destabilizing peaceful local governments (Hawaii and Puerto Rico) and instigating wars (Palestine soon). That image is topkek btw
Is this a travel question? If so, I think the answer is pretty basic: the Midwest isn’t as popular with travelers as coastal or mountain regions (or even as parts of the deep South if they’ve got cultural or historic interest, or interesting food) because it lacks mountains and beaches, which travelers usually enjoy. It’s largely flat, there’s a lot of farmland, and very few of the cities pack much tourism punch. It’s also a relatively large area, so many parts of it are far from one another, and tourists, especially foreign tourists, rarely want to spend seven hours driving through farmland, or worse yet, ten hours watching farmland pass by from a bus window, even if there’s an impressive national park at the end of the journey.
That said, especially at its northern and western extremes, there’s quite a lot of tourism-worthy stuff in the Midwest. The Boundary Waters canoeing area up in MN is exceptionally beautiful. The Badlands National Park in SD is worth the trek. And while I haven’t really spent much time up there myself, 85% of the people I’ve ever met from Michigan wax nostalgic about some lake house or cabin that they insist is the most beautiful place on Earth.
If you’re talking about other Americans hating on the Midwest, I assume that’s because they regard it as boring more than anything else. But I haven’t really encountered hate for the region IRL; it’s been closer to the opposite, with locals/former locals raving about how great wherever they’re from is.
I lived in Bloomington IL for 2 years working for State Farm. Hardly saw any black people. There were lots of Indians thought, imported to work for SF. When I left they were in the process of reducing the number of "externals," so I don't know if there are still lots of Indians in town. But it seemed pretty white. College town too, so fair amount of pretty girls. Not a ton to do in town, that's true. But I had a great apartment for $775 (and could have gone cheaper without sacrificing too much), whereas now in Austin a good studio for $1400 would be a steal. I'm thinking Midwest is pretty based. State Farm wasn't a bad employer, good people there, all things considered. Not cutting edge tech though: still used COBOL, though I didn't work with it.
Almost everything here applies to Madison/Epic, besides the Indians (more east Asians and Somalians)
they're all jealous of our freshwater
it doesn't even have ginger anymore
the midwest is dead
because its fricking empty unless youre an SighSeeman
t. mIdWeStErNeR
The midwest is irredeemable garbage and deserved all the hate it gets and more. Your shack in bumfrick Illinois is cheap for a reason moron, nobody wants to live there.
skiing is fun
I grew up in upstate ny, skiing was not just an upper class thing (although there was still some bias that direction). There were lots of affordable local ski areas. You probably didn't go on trips to resort-tier mountains Whiteface or Stowe (certainly not Vail). A far bigger status flex for wealthy types in my neck of the woods was winter vacations to Bahamas or Florida Keys and coming back all tanned in February.
>upstate ny
>midwest
Never said it was, moron.