Why isn't Turkey a popular destination for North Americans ?
All the tourists in Turkey come from Western Europe and Russia.
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Why isn't Turkey a popular destination for North Americans ?
Most here don't know Turkey exists.
Loved Istanbul btw. Is it worth seeing Ankara? What is nightlife like there?
Most of what we hear about turkey consists of the authoritarian regime and turkish diplomats beating up americans on american soil and getting away with it, we're well aware that turkey exists contrary to what this fedora tipping real traveler would have you believe but "soft power" is about whether someone has an animal like or dislike of a country's "brand" and turkey pays the price for having a shitty brand. We know near eastern countries aren't perfect but if people want to go to a near east destination they tend to go to places with a neutral or nonexistent brand image not one with a loudly negative brand image
Based Turkey. Putting the mutts in their place
Also mutts ITT acting as if Turkey isn't a major tourist destination
It was, in the aftermath of all those roach tourism ads you'd see on buses and shit in the late aught's.
Not anymore though. Turkey's tourism industry is a shadow of what it was, unless you count Bulgarians flooding across the border in order to take advantage of the failing currency.
When discussing Turkey and the Ottoman Empire, I've had coworkers with Master's degrees act like I was a scholar. I'm also from the Midwest, where traveling to Mexico is a big thing.
Are you visibly not anglo perchance? When I lived in the midwest I got complimented on my english (I was born and raised in the US). It's more a "midwesterners are weird" thing and less "americans have never heard of turkey" thing. Like they literally think you can get food poisoning from making mexican food at home. I wish I was making this up.
We have a lot of Mexicans here now, no more misconceptions about them.
I am from here and whiter than you
I don't know if you've heard this OP but it's full of Turks. There's a reason only Russians go there.
Turks are a hundred times more helpful and approachable and friendly than italians.
Istanbul is an arab city, go to the actual turkey (pro-tip: it's in anatolia, not afro-arab europe)
Italians were very nice and friendly when I went to Italy
Because crossing the Atlantic is so cost and time prohibitive that most North Americans can only make the trip once or twice in their lifetimes and Paris/Rome/Amsterdam/London are much more attractive destinations.
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I too would like to visit Gobblestan
why would you spend time and money to go to a place infested with roaches?
>turdey
lmfao
Europe is closer and comfy. I don't get the hype behind Turkey. Yeah, it's not too expensive, but istanbul is such shit. Hot, loud, dirty, and it's filled with turks. Istanbul is a giant tourist trap, and the "hello my friend. . ." shit gets old quick.
Caribbean >>> Aegean >>>>>>>>> Black Sea is why
Caribbean is shit.
Most Americans get two weeks off in a year. Out of every destination why would anyone choose turkey. The balkans is a much better destination
I travel for ecotourism so I mainly go to places like South America, Africa, and Southeast Asia.
What's the wildlife and nature like in Turkey
My mother literally forbid me from going as she saw Midnight Run
Thought about flying Turkish airlines somewhere and trying Istanbul, but don't really like having to get a visa for a few days. Not opposed to a few weeks there. Just other countries have won out for one reason or another.
Well when you turn 18, you can finally go there.
The European perception of Turkey is that it's a cheap country with history and nice beaches. It's similar to how they look at Morocco and Egypt (at least the Russians think of Egypt this way). Americans either don't even think about/are aware of Turkey or have a negative perception of it (no fun allowed Muslim country, terrorism because Muslims, dictator Erdogan, etc.) even if these perceptions are distorted or wildly false. It's also just as if not more expensive to go there than to Europe and Europe is more appealing to more people.
I went last year and saw Antioch and Gaziantep among others, glad I was able to visit those places before the earthquake
>pic
nothing special, but it's a now-destroyed part of Antioch I was in one year ago today
>Antioch
It's sad how this was one of the great metropolises of the known world. Sic transit gloria mundi.
>former greek cities
this is why
if western anatolia was greek there'd be plenty of americans going there. as long as it's roach territory anyone who might consider it stays away and just goes to greece instead
I am going to be visiting Smyrna (now Izmir) soon, and I hope that even though it’s no longer Greek I will still be able to enjoy it
Ephesus, Sardis and Pergamon are all in walking range of Izmir
That is why I planned to go there. I am talking about the city itself
I hope they never go to turkey. Americans ruin every place they go. I literally only go places I know there arent any americans in.
Ah yes, the visa. I don't think I needed a visa for Turkey since like 15 or 20 years. I can even visit with just an ID. I see Americans still need a visa and passport to visit Turkey. So that explains it.
I don't get the Istanbul shade here. It's not the best city on Earth, but if you're into history it's still a must to just go there once. And it's a good entry point, even if you end up in a completely different area of Turkey later.
Turkey has so much going on. It sucks what happened to eg. Gaziantep recently. I didn't even dare to check what happened to eg. Gobekli Tepe. I hope thqt because most of it is covered and low and whatever that it's still fine. I could go on, so many cool things all over Turkey. Nature, history, food, etc.
The government is shit, but so is every government I know, so whatever.
Ok chang
>only chinks hate mutts
could be a vodkaBlack person as well
>everybodys opinions are just like my imaginary internet maps
Take your meds.
I think that map is full of shit. If you've been in Africa, you know that the most hated country in any given African country is some other African country.
I've had the oppotunity to go multiple times, since I fly in and out of dubai regularly.
I skip turkey because its full of turkish people, who are annoying, ugly, smelly, and belligerent about their moronic cult. Turks are ottomans, and the ancestral enemy of my people. A few years of peace doesn't change that.
I have no interest in their evil civilization unless it is to help invade Constantinople.
Every white woman from the US or Canada ends up going through Istanbul Idk wtf youre on about
My Colorado neighbors visited Turkey several years back, their daughter lived in Istanbul and loved it there. But why would (north) Americans in general choose to vacation in Turkey when it is far easier to head south to Mexico? Mexico's climate is superior to Turkey's, the beaches are better, and the people are Christian. Turkey does have far less violent crime, however.
Is cash king in Turkey, or will I be able to use card for some purchases?
You can use card many places, especially those geared towards tourists, but not everywhere, and they often prefer cash.
Is it better to use exchanges or ATMs? I was reading that most ATMs have a feature called DCC which royally fricks up the exchange rate
Just decline currency conversion, always. That's one of the very first things you should learn when going to a foreign country. If they ever ask about what currency you want to pay in pick the local, or they will frick you with their own special rates.
From what I remember the ATMs took about a 5% fee, didn't use exchanges but shouldn't be an issue if you have euros/dollars and stay in a big city.
Thanks, I appreciate the info. I was also reading that most ATMS have a flat rate fee on top of the conversion rate, but a couple like ING and HSBC do not. Can you weigh in on this?
>I was also reading that most ATMS have a flat rate fee on top of the conversion rate
Don't all ATMs except the ones from you're own bank? If you have an account at a bank that refunds all ATM fees it's only a problem if they don't separate out the fee, but Chile is the only place I've seen that
We don't like Ay-rabs around here son
I've been to Turkey like 5 times, the western side is basically like Europe with a nice splash of med weather and middle eastern cuisine.
Did you go all over the country or revisit some of the same areas? I've been on two roadtrips to Turkey and would like to do more, they've got wonderful nature and amazing historical sites. A and B on my map are the places I've been, do you have any suggestions related to my options for trip C next year?
NTA, but for C. I recommend going from Marmaris to Datca. The road there is absolutely gorgeous. There is a point between the two cities where the peninsula is at its narrowest where you can look over both the Med and the Aegan sea at the same time.
Not him but the South East orange circle is easily the best pick. I haven't been to the region since 2013/14 so big caveat on what things will look like post-earthquake and how much the Old City of Diyarbakir has recovered after large parts were destroyed in 2016. Not sure what time of year you will be going but I went in the winter and I only saw two other tourists in the entire week I was there, the weather was terrible though but probably more unbearable in the summer.
For cities, Mardin is the obvious highlight. It would be swarmed with tourists for good reason if it was located anywhere more accessible. Urfa has a great relaxing vibe to it and plenty of history too, and Diyarbakir has so much to see even if parts of it are a bit sketchy. Gaziantep probably wouldn't be worth going out of your way to see, especially post-earthquake. It's a bit city but nothing special.
Other sights definitely worth a visit are Gobekli Tepe, Nemrut Dag, Deyrulzafaran monastey, Harran. The food is the best in Turkey and the people are ridiculously friendly (if you're a man).
What did you think of Diyarbakir? Personally I know it was a very large and incredibly important fortress of the late roman empire, but the feedback I've gotten on tripadvisor has said the town is not worth visiting at all. What did you like about it, and is it interesting enough to warrant more than a nights sleep while driving through?
I’ve seen a lot of what you’ve circled in dark red. Izmir is a nice city to setup base for awhile while you travel around within it and outside of it. Lovely beaches with clean and clear salty water that is actually somewhat warm all along the west coast. I’ve also been to Mardin and Nusaybin and been at the border with Syria, some really neat old stonework architecture there. Kinda sus out there with electricity brownouts and you can smell the charcoal fired heating a lot of people are using.
A long way to travel and Greece is more familiar and safer, plus the history tends to be more of interest to Americans.
No way I'd suggest a lone woman go to Turkey.
>No way I'd suggest a lone woman go to Turkey.
No I would not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_%C3%96zgecan_Aslan
>Greece is more familiar and safer, plus the history tends to be more of interest to Americans.
Literally all the best greek history is in Turkey. Name one ancient site in all of greece that could size up to any of three dozen ancient sites in western and southern turkey. And no, athens doesn't measure up in the slightest.
And I didn't mean to imply that there are only three dozen ancient sites in Turkey, there are hundreds and hundreds, but that for any one site in Greece there are 20 far superiour in Turkey.
Thebes, Corinth, Sparta, Thessaly, Crete? Delusional roach.
I think you are confusing important historical states and the site with modern day remains. There's basically nothing left of Sparta or Thebes, while Corinth has a couple of pillars left of a broken temple. Your confusion only increases from here: Thessaly of course is a region, and Crete the largest island in the Mediterranean, neither of which could conceivably considered a "site".
I mentioned Thessaly as a region due to the lesser importance of its individual cities compared to the ones in the first post. Crete being the source of Archaic and Minoan Greece is archaeologically dense so there's no point in singling out sites there.
>There's basically nothing left of Sparta or Thebes, while Corinth has a couple of pillars left of a broken temple.
1. Kek. 2. You're implying that makes the remains the turks didn't there down somehow of more worth. Who the frick cares about random trading posts compared to the legendary greek city-states. Only notable Greek cites in Anatolia are Troy and the Ionia region.
>Crete the largest island in the Mediterranean
Least moronic roach, don't waste my time
>>name the best cities in europe
>hurr durr Germany the best city in europe! me smart duuurrr
Not like there's that much more left of anything that isn't Ephesus either.
Japanese and Koreans are also common in Turkey.
>All the tourists in Turkey come from Western Europe and Russia.
Well yeah, people that are closer can get there easier.
Some 377,000 Americans visited Turkey in the first half of 2022, according to Forbes.
Anyone rented a motorcycle and done a road trip there?
Did this in Vietnam years ago and loved it. Wondering if this is a good option to do there
Turkey is perfect for roadtripping in terms of scenery, changes of landscape and tons of interesting sites and areas that would otherwise be inaccessible. But traffic can be pretty crazy and people basically do whatever they want when it comes to lanes, speed, red lights and turns. Tons of people drive without lights even at night. I've done two roadtrips in turkey and both times our rental car got rammed from behind by turk drivers. Can't recommend the country highly enough for driving, personally I'd be a bit wary of the motorcycle part, but if you've done vietnam and feel comfortable in that sort of traffic go for it.
Forgot to mention, I read a thread recently about new speed rules for motorcycles on the highways - while cars can drive at 130/140km motorcycles are limited to 100km, basically forcing you onto the slow lane with the heavy traffic and creating a lot more friction in terms of people wanting to overtake you. Maybe I have misunderstood something, but it sounded pretty stupid. Read up a bit before you decide.
did a complete circle of the country, though swapped out the north coast for the centre after trabzon and it was incredibly safe, the highways are very well invested in and drivers probably on par with greeks / italians and much better than in the Balkans
this guy knows his shit, except I would not recommend Urfa if you are with a woman
Why no urfa?
extension of syria with an existing large arab plurality before the war, expect everyone on the street to stop and stare at you with aggressive and beady black eyes if you are not a muslim
I had the opposite experience in Urfa, people going out of their way to help me (male) with lifts and free meals for no reason. I wouldn't recommend the place and region as a whole if you're a woman though. I was with my girlfriend who speaks a good amount of Turkish (I don't) but 95% of men refused to interact with her, even speaking. Most interactions consisted of her talking in Turkish to someone, them completely blanking her and looking at me, then me repeating verbatim what she just said. Then they would reply to me and so on. If you were a single woman visiting, I imagine it would be the same at best but 100% more rapey.
north americans think turkey is a food, not a country.
How's the cooming in Turkey?
I first visited Turkey from North America, had a great time. Went for a second visit when living in Europe, also had a good time. But the difference is obvious—from Western Europe, Turkey is perhaps a four-hour €150 flight. From NA it’s two or three times as long for two or three (or five or six) times as much money.
Currently in Turkey and going to Cappadocia for a few days on my way by land to Georgia
My question is where should I stop between Kayseri and Erzurum, with the intention of crossing to Tbilisi from Kars?
Any recommendations, I was thing Sivas or Erzincan, although I've heard Erzincan is a bit dicey
I had originally planned to go through the south to Van and then up but obviously it's all still a bit rooted from the quakes
Glass em!
@2444712
>post factually wrong information
>shits his diapey when pointed out
why are you talking about yourself in the third person?
You have to be 18 to post here
@2444797
>This coming from a roach that calls Crete, smaller than the Cyprus they still occupy, the largest island in the Mediterranean
>be from North America
>book flight for +1k to get across the atlantic
>fly +12 hours to get to Turkey
>this is at least 1 day, or 2 if you don't live by a main direct flight airport, of travel out of maybe the 1-2 week willing to dedicate to travel
>probably have to layover somewhere as well
>finally make it to turkey
>jetlagged to hell
>Spend almost a week in Istanbul
>2 days to get back home
>jetlagged to hell wasn't even that cheap
or
>be from north america
>fly 5-6 hours to Mexico
>cheap as shit
>same timezone
>enjoy more time in a city than traveling to it
>fly back home direct most likely
If people are going to cross the atlantic we are going to something like UK, France, Germany, Ireland or something the like, maybe Portugal or Spain. Turkey isn't popular to anyone spending real time or money from the US to go to. It's great for europoors who have 5 quid in the bank and want to feel rich, but it's also such a shorter travel.
Muslim aka backwater hellhole that needs Democracy ASAP
>ass frick nowhere
>nothing to see
>abject crime-ridden shithole
you can go to SEA for half of the cost and you're less likely to get stabbed by a dirkadirka
Turkey is a borderline failed state, at best they are an Arab republic-tier shithole
Eridene literally lives on Bulgarian retirees gibesmedats
proximity
If you honestly think I’m going to visit a country named after a fat stupid bird, you’re fricking moronic