Debated this pretty hard myself on my last Europe trip, I was gonna do Switzerland but then the price of the rail pass shot way up and I chose Austria instead. I still ended up passing through Basel briefly so I have experience with both.
Switzerland was absurdly, retardedly expensive. I ate one (1) meal there and it ran me like 45 francs. It didn't seem very "cultural" either, but that may have been because I was in a big city. I spoke to 3 people in fluent German and they all answered me back in English, because they themselves did not speak German as well as I did.
I was very satisfied with Austria and I don't regret it. Vienna was magnificent and I went to Hallstatt for my "countryside" alpine fix, which it satisfied perfectly. It wasn't the god-tier 15000m peaks and the Skyrim wilderness experience and such -- if you really want that then there's no substitute for Switzerland. But Austria was still lovely and the nature (especially in the south) is 90% as nice, at 50% the cost. And as far as big cities go, Vienna blew Basel out of the fucking water.
>And as far as big cities go, Vienna blew Basel out of the fucking water.
LOL from Basel, population ~171,000. Vienna has more than ten times as many people. There are no big cities in Switzerland, period. We’re the third biggest in the country with fewer than 200,000 people, and even Zürich has fewer than 400K (they pretend to have 1.5M, “metro,” but that’s an agglomeration of nearly 200 distinct towns and villages, many of which have virtually nothing to do with the city, not anything like a contiguous urban area). A lot of the small cities here do have nice, dense little centers, but they’re all villages at heart.
Anyway, I love living here, and appreciate traveling domestically, but wouldn’t visit if I weren’t already here. Adjacent parts of Austria, France, and Italy have nearly all of the same stuff we’ve got, apart from cleanliness, world-class infrastructure, and a superiority complex, plus superior food, at huge discounts. The language and cultural diversity is rather interesting—French-speaking Switzerland is quite distinct from German-speaking Switzerland, and Italian-speaking Switzerland even more so, but I don’t think it makes up for paying twice as much or more for everything.
Are there any towns or cities in Austria that facilitate day hikes the way places like Lucerne do? Where you can go off up a mountain or hop on a quick train to another hike spot etc and be able to get back to your home base for dinner?
pretty sure there are. For bigger cities Innsbruck, Salzburg and even Vienna work. For smaller cities and villages there should be countless of options.
Just search for the best hiking trails and mountains in Austria and pick a place nearby.
It depends on how much money you have to spend. Switzerland has the best hiking infrastructure in the world. No one can come close. But it's insanely expensive. The train from Geneva to Zermatt is $100 per person each way. A typical dinner for 2 people will always be over $100. Beers are $9-12 everywhere. But, it's fucking beautiful. And there are 0 blacks and almost no crime. Zermatt is fucking glorious. We had the entire floor of a Chalet for $150/night. This was the view from our Airbnb
Zermatt has one of the world’s greatest day hikes - the Five Lakes Walk. Achingly beautiful every single step of its 11km. Even the normies were impressed.
Might as well explore both if you're already there, waste of time not to if you're flying in from a different continent, and if you're euro then why the fuck not
specifically Zurich, I see Geneva seems to be known for this but it's a bit out of my way
Expensive.
A 90 minute tantric massage is €350+ vs €90 somewhere like Budapest.
Sex workers, maybe €150/hr vs €40/hr in Budapest
So I wouldn't go on a big sexual adventure if money is tight!
Swiss women are however pretty sexually open. We're on a message board, so I'm not going to suggest you can just go and find a chick to fuck in one or two nights, but I was surprised how sexually open women were, I dunno with the accent I for some reason expected them to be quite closed.
Got it. Ideally I'd go to argentina but that's probably not happening this year.
I guess I'll try my luck with apps and locals in switzerland and invest my money further east (Munich, Salzburg, Romania) in that case
Forget dating apps in Switzerland lol. Zurich is the hub of banks and tech, Basel of pharma, Geneva of money. Stuffed to the brim with rich guys, women here are absolutely delusional in their expectations and dont give a fuck about you unless you pick them up in a 'rari. You'd have an easier time with Austrian or German women (or my fav, the French ones)
Lol, this is my impression too.
You can either pick through the trash (or immigrants) from the likes of Badoo, or go on Tinder, Bumble etc. and you'll find endless spoiled Insta-model wannabees. Swiss girls have not only enormous disposable income (that I, as an immigrant also get), but god knows how huge generational wealth behind them. Good luck trying to impress a girl who knows she's about to inherit 500k CHF/USD in a few years.
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Expensive.
A 90 minute tantric massage is €350+ vs €90 somewhere like Budapest.
Sex workers, maybe €150/hr vs €40/hr in Budapest
So I wouldn't go on a big sexual adventure if money is tight!
Swiss women are however pretty sexually open. We're on a message board, so I'm not going to suggest you can just go and find a chick to fuck in one or two nights, but I was surprised how sexually open women were, I dunno with the accent I for some reason expected them to be quite closed.
Sex workers are between 200-300 CHF/h now, at an entry level. And you can get either good or bad service for that. Unless you absolutely don't care about money, save yourself. If you have infinite money, then there's an infinite supply of variety here.
would you rather visit austria or switzerland?
On a more serious note, if you have never been to any Alpine area, it doesn't matter.
But as others noted, Switz is really fucking expensive, I don't even recommend "spending a day or two" in Zürich, because just getting in and out will set you back quite a bit.
Dating apps work well in Geneva and especially Lausanne. Drive to Vevey in the summer and hit the terraces there, tons of parties with college students and fucking cute swiss/german//french/italian students isn't difficult even if you're not a 10/10 chad, just don't be an awkward gay and you'll get matches on tinder easily there if you got a decent profile.
Zurich and the german part of Switzerland in general is the stuck up in the ass region of the country where everyone is an insufferable gay, from the guys being total spergs and the women being total cunts. Literal 4/10 fat fucks give you attitude there. People complain at the train station when the train is 2-3 minutes late. Avoid the german cantons like the plague.
I'm living directly at the border and if I visit Switzerland for a few days its always >with a full car tank >food for an entire week >camping outside >only free things
If someone here want to go: Rheinschlucht has a nice free camping place, Arosa one of the best hiking place in Europe and Eastern Switzerland along the Inn and the Naturpark kills everything. But the Italian-Swiss border is the best, go in the Fall in September/October, You can easy travel into North Italy (the best region of Italy) like Milan in an hour drive or with a train but its expensive as fuck
I chose Austria on my eurotrip.
Switzerland is just way too expensive and we didn't have the budget.
Also Switzerland didn't seem like it had too much to do outside of look at the pretty sites.
I visited Switzerland and Salzburg. Salzburg is super comfy and Vienna is unironically one of the best capital cities in the world.
I'd definitely choose Austria over Switzerland.
Debated this pretty hard myself on my last Europe trip, I was gonna do Switzerland but then the price of the rail pass shot way up and I chose Austria instead. I still ended up passing through Basel briefly so I have experience with both.
Switzerland was absurdly, retardedly expensive. I ate one (1) meal there and it ran me like 45 francs. It didn't seem very "cultural" either, but that may have been because I was in a big city. I spoke to 3 people in fluent German and they all answered me back in English, because they themselves did not speak German as well as I did.
I was very satisfied with Austria and I don't regret it. Vienna was magnificent and I went to Hallstatt for my "countryside" alpine fix, which it satisfied perfectly. It wasn't the god-tier 15000m peaks and the Skyrim wilderness experience and such -- if you really want that then there's no substitute for Switzerland. But Austria was still lovely and the nature (especially in the south) is 90% as nice, at 50% the cost. And as far as big cities go, Vienna blew Basel out of the fucking water.
>Austria is 90% as nice, at 50% the cost
>Vienna blew Basel out of the fucking water
Basically this. If you are rich, go to Switzerland. But Austria is amazing, too.
>big cities
Austria (more precisely: Vienna)
>small cities
Switzerland
>nature
Switzerland
>small towns
Austria
>villages
Switzerland
>food
Austria
>Basel
Yeah, not the best city to visit in Switzerland.
Wth is the difference between a small town and a village?
>And as far as big cities go, Vienna blew Basel out of the fucking water.
LOL from Basel, population ~171,000. Vienna has more than ten times as many people. There are no big cities in Switzerland, period. We’re the third biggest in the country with fewer than 200,000 people, and even Zürich has fewer than 400K (they pretend to have 1.5M, “metro,” but that’s an agglomeration of nearly 200 distinct towns and villages, many of which have virtually nothing to do with the city, not anything like a contiguous urban area). A lot of the small cities here do have nice, dense little centers, but they’re all villages at heart.
Anyway, I love living here, and appreciate traveling domestically, but wouldn’t visit if I weren’t already here. Adjacent parts of Austria, France, and Italy have nearly all of the same stuff we’ve got, apart from cleanliness, world-class infrastructure, and a superiority complex, plus superior food, at huge discounts. The language and cultural diversity is rather interesting—French-speaking Switzerland is quite distinct from German-speaking Switzerland, and Italian-speaking Switzerland even more so, but I don’t think it makes up for paying twice as much or more for everything.
Vienna trumps every Swiss city by a wide margin. Other than that, Austria is just way better value for money.
I liked them both but Vienna was my favorite European city.
Vienna is great but I really want to float down Berns river so I'll go with Switzerland
Are there any towns or cities in Austria that facilitate day hikes the way places like Lucerne do? Where you can go off up a mountain or hop on a quick train to another hike spot etc and be able to get back to your home base for dinner?
pretty sure there are. For bigger cities Innsbruck, Salzburg and even Vienna work. For smaller cities and villages there should be countless of options.
Just search for the best hiking trails and mountains in Austria and pick a place nearby.
Several. We have many beautiful hiking areas and cities nearby.
It depends on how much money you have to spend. Switzerland has the best hiking infrastructure in the world. No one can come close. But it's insanely expensive. The train from Geneva to Zermatt is $100 per person each way. A typical dinner for 2 people will always be over $100. Beers are $9-12 everywhere. But, it's fucking beautiful. And there are 0 blacks and almost no crime. Zermatt is fucking glorious. We had the entire floor of a Chalet for $150/night. This was the view from our Airbnb
Zermatt has one of the world’s greatest day hikes - the Five Lakes Walk. Achingly beautiful every single step of its 11km. Even the normies were impressed.
Why not both, I mean they are even next to eachother
Vienna is a better city than anything in Switzerland
Everything is way cheaper in Austria
Outdoors stuff is better in Switzerland. Austria is still very pretty but it doesn’t have anything quite like Lauterbrunnen or Zermatt
Basically if you have the coin Switzerland is better but you’re not going to have a bad time in Austria either.
Austria is cheaper, no?
Worth seeing:
1. Vienna
2. Salzburg
3. Zürich
4. Genf
5. Innsbruck
6. Basel
7. Luzern
8. Graz
9. Bern
10. Lausanne
switzerland
Switzerlands flag is a big plus for me
underrated comment
Austria
>tfw when been all over Europe but never Norway or Switzerland because poorfag
If you can ski and have the money go to Zermatt. One of the most beautiful places on earth.
Expensive but at globalist cabal tier standards.
>tfw the annual WEF conference needs additional prostitutes flown in to satisfy the demand
Might as well explore both if you're already there, waste of time not to if you're flying in from a different continent, and if you're euro then why the fuck not
How bad are the mosquitoes in Austria?
What's the best way to coom in Switzerland? Are escorts as expensive as everything else?
A quick reply would be appreciated as might buy tickets within the next 24 hours and length of stay would depend on that
specifically Zurich, I see Geneva seems to be known for this but it's a bit out of my way
Expensive.
A 90 minute tantric massage is €350+ vs €90 somewhere like Budapest.
Sex workers, maybe €150/hr vs €40/hr in Budapest
So I wouldn't go on a big sexual adventure if money is tight!
Swiss women are however pretty sexually open. We're on a message board, so I'm not going to suggest you can just go and find a chick to fuck in one or two nights, but I was surprised how sexually open women were, I dunno with the accent I for some reason expected them to be quite closed.
Got it. Ideally I'd go to argentina but that's probably not happening this year.
I guess I'll try my luck with apps and locals in switzerland and invest my money further east (Munich, Salzburg, Romania) in that case
Forget dating apps in Switzerland lol. Zurich is the hub of banks and tech, Basel of pharma, Geneva of money. Stuffed to the brim with rich guys, women here are absolutely delusional in their expectations and dont give a fuck about you unless you pick them up in a 'rari. You'd have an easier time with Austrian or German women (or my fav, the French ones)
Lol, this is my impression too.
You can either pick through the trash (or immigrants) from the likes of Badoo, or go on Tinder, Bumble etc. and you'll find endless spoiled Insta-model wannabees. Swiss girls have not only enormous disposable income (that I, as an immigrant also get), but god knows how huge generational wealth behind them. Good luck trying to impress a girl who knows she's about to inherit 500k CHF/USD in a few years.
Sex workers are between 200-300 CHF/h now, at an entry level. And you can get either good or bad service for that. Unless you absolutely don't care about money, save yourself. If you have infinite money, then there's an infinite supply of variety here.
On a more serious note, if you have never been to any Alpine area, it doesn't matter.
But as others noted, Switz is really fucking expensive, I don't even recommend "spending a day or two" in Zürich, because just getting in and out will set you back quite a bit.
Dating apps work well in Geneva and especially Lausanne. Drive to Vevey in the summer and hit the terraces there, tons of parties with college students and fucking cute swiss/german//french/italian students isn't difficult even if you're not a 10/10 chad, just don't be an awkward gay and you'll get matches on tinder easily there if you got a decent profile.
Zurich and the german part of Switzerland in general is the stuck up in the ass region of the country where everyone is an insufferable gay, from the guys being total spergs and the women being total cunts. Literal 4/10 fat fucks give you attitude there. People complain at the train station when the train is 2-3 minutes late. Avoid the german cantons like the plague.
swiss are women are too trad for that shit.
"Too trad", you find married swiss german women on hotwifing sites like fetlife getting fucked by morons.
The swiss french women are just like the women from France, basically they're sex addicts.
The italian swiss in lugano are half trad half sluts, depends where you meet them.
>Dating apps
Let's just call them for what they are: escort services. "dating" = hookup sex.
I'm living directly at the border and if I visit Switzerland for a few days its always
>with a full car tank
>food for an entire week
>camping outside
>only free things
If someone here want to go: Rheinschlucht has a nice free camping place, Arosa one of the best hiking place in Europe and Eastern Switzerland along the Inn and the Naturpark kills everything. But the Italian-Swiss border is the best, go in the Fall in September/October, You can easy travel into North Italy (the best region of Italy) like Milan in an hour drive or with a train but its expensive as fuck
LIECHTENSTEIN
I chose Austria on my eurotrip.
Switzerland is just way too expensive and we didn't have the budget.
Also Switzerland didn't seem like it had too much to do outside of look at the pretty sites.
I visited Switzerland and Salzburg. Salzburg is super comfy and Vienna is unironically one of the best capital cities in the world.
I'd definitely choose Austria over Switzerland.
>I visited Switzerland and Salzburg
fuck I meant Vienna and Salzburg. Didn't go to Switzerland.