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Just accepted a teaching job in Taiwan. My pay is 750ntd an hour ($25.3) and my apartment is only $200 a month.
What's some general advice you guys can give about living in Taiwan?
Moving to Taiwan
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Just accepted a teaching job in Taiwan. My pay is 750ntd an hour ($25.3) and my apartment is only $200 a month.
What's some general advice you guys can give about living in Taiwan?
Also I'm learning Mandarin with Anki. I know around 600 words so far.
Which book / resources are you using to learn Mandarin?
I would recommend learning individual characters before words.
I know i'm going to sound blasphemous, but why the fuck would you learn the characters or even put them out as a priority ? Especially if you're learning it with the intention of going there. You don't need them in theory. Most of times the only required knowledge would be to speak it and nothing more.
Also, to be quite honest, it would be extremely demotivating to focus on learning characters exclusively, because you can't form sentences with those in a vacuum. You need knowledge of grammar and also the ability to form actual words, because while the characters have meaning, they often need to be combined with other syllables to make real words that people use (think xue+xi, study).
I will give you some recommendations.. Keep in mind that we're talking putonghua here aka as standard as possible. Taiwanese mandarin is basically that aside from a very small amount of changes in accents and a few words that aren't the same, but trust me, you don't want to sound like a taiwanese. Also, don't worry to much over choosing trad or simplified. While the switch isn't necessarily simple, it's possible and it's always something you can do once you're in the country. If you're able to recognize simplified you'll basically be able to figure out and guess the changes and you should be able to understand trad in a few months of staying, so don't bother much with it.
I'm putting my recommendations in the next post
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If you want to lean how to write chinese and learn words, Integrated Chinese is the way to go. I recommend this series of books for self study. Audio resources are available in youtube and they're absolute gold. there's a chinese person in the dialogues that really speaks like a normal chinese person , which is honestly great practice because most resources are basically people speaking like retards and nothing like what you may hear. This is what you should use if you want a fully functional drive of the chinese language, provided you practice regularly. When i'm on vacation, I usually try to go through an entire book.
If you want to take the standardized route of HSK, use the Hsk Standard Course books. By finishing a book of a certain level, you're basically done with that HSK level. The vocabulary from the word list (the good news is that both the book and the list will have overlapping vocab so everything you learn will be used, which is satisfying). I know the audio resources are on youtube too. It is less fun that integrated chinese, but it definitely does the job and is efficient. This is also what teachers online and on-site may use as a resource (or a powerpointified version of it) should you plan for HSK.
My last recommendation is actually very specific and only concerns those who will go to Taiwan to study chinese. IF you do, chances are you're going to NTNU (national taiwan normal uni). If this is what you plan, I heavily suggest you get their book in advance (a course in contemporary chinese). Don't bother learning simplified if you know you're going to take trad classes. Actually, if you really do not like simplified for some reason, you can also use this series of books. It's actually pretty good.
For coomers and ESL teachers who do not give a fuck about chinese but still want to know how to get by : Assimil's Chinese With Ease, which skips all the character BS so you can focus on oral Chinese so that bitch can give you oral.
stfu dpp gay.
Just using Anki. Using a deck called Mandarin Chinese From beginner to advanced
>Which book / resources are you using to learn Mandarin?
HSK course. learn both characters at the same time.
https://b-ok.cc/book/3635704/445adf
aka chud general. Have fun getting aids gay.
cope and sneed, chinaman
is this supposed to be a gacha for china? Xiamen looks nice af while kinmen looks like what people make fun of china for supposadly being like.
>chinaman
wtf is this the 70s?
Leave, chink.
I'm Greek, but there is no need for anti-Chinese racism here, whether you like it or not even taiwanese are "chinks".
Stfu chink. You are worth less than the grime on the bottom of my shoe.
Grime as in electric British rap? Thnx
There are good chinks and shit chinks in these world, taiwanese are the former but you're the latter
Taiwan has 4x the gdp per Capita of CCP. Lol Chink
taiwan is like 1/4 the size of ireland and has had billions of USD poured into it, not to mention the gold the KMT stole during the retrat. Try harder mutt.
Cope
Post
Whatever excuse you make for why Taiwan is far better than China is just that, an excuse.
>makes misinformed statement
>is given facts on said statement (which if you bothered to check you'd find out are correct; the US DID give billions throughout the 20th century and the KMT DID empty banks from gold during their retreat from the mainland.)
>HrrDrr Exuses Hrrrr
Is this what mutt academia has come down to?
>misinformed statement
It's a literal fact though. Holy shit, cope.
>Not saying it's not a fact, it's just inaccurate and doesnt take into account the whole picture. Why not talk about nominal real or actual GDP if you're alergic to context, what, gonna bring up the differnece in size?
>it's just inaccurate
It's actually completely accurate. Taiwan's PPP is 4x that of China
yep alergic to context. as if GDP doesn't have to be divided by 1.5 Billion for China, while only for 23 mil for Taiwan to get the PPP figures.
Yes. That is how per Capita works. Congrats chink, you are learning.
Again, why not talk about literally all the useful forms of GDP, what's next glowie gonna bring up HDI?
Holy cope. Lol.
You can make any excuse for why china is a shithole and Taiwan isn't but all they are are excuses
PPP is the best indicator of individual wealth
avarege is never the best indicator of anything. For all you know if Jeff Bezos and Musk moved to China the PPP, even divided by the population, whould still significantly rise. It doesn't take account of distribution of wealth, which is what Xi is trying to fix atm.
Taiwan has less wealth inequality than China. Kek. Thanks for bringing up a good point that China is even worse than we thought.
Taiwan is more comparable to western europe or north america than China in almost every conceivable way when it comes to quality of life, income, health and safety, environmental quality and everything else.
>aiwan has less wealth inequality than China. Kek.
says who lol, I'm just talking about China cuz that's the place I've done research on. IF you think there's no inequality between paddie farmes around Gaoxiong and the DPP officials or the native tribes who live in the moutaoins that's not my fault.
40% of Chinese families make less than $140 a month
and? Have yu seen the cost of living in the chinese countryside? With a couple months savings you can build your own house ffs. Your parents could comprehend such low cost of living but perhaps you can't in this day and age.
PPP takes into account cost of living third world retard
Chink is seething and poor
PPP is literally real GDP divided by population autist.
Yes and takes into account buying power.
You really are going out of your way to defend a third world shithole
China is considered second world as in developing. Although in the Cold war sense, it would be third world as First world were Nato countries, second non-aligned and Third Comintern or opposed to nato, not sure if the last two were the other way around. Anyhow that terminology has fuckall to do with development and everything to do with political orientation.
>Yes and takes into account buying power.
ahuh, and how is that cost of living retard? Cost of living is measured by taking into account prices of consumer goods and real estate, not purchasing power.
China's cost of living is 20% less for 1/5 the money kek
China is shithole
says who lol, it obviously depends on location tho. Cities are more expensive but incomes are higher, countryside is cheaper but incomes are lower.
https://pandabuddy.net/cost-of-living-in-china/
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp
China is a poor country and a bad place to live
Taiwan is a wealthy country and a good place to live
maybe, shame it's not a country.
Chink lost the first argument so is making a whole new cope kek.
Yeah, shame the PRC isn't a country
The US thinks otherwise when they shifted from recogniosing Taipei to Beijing.
Butthurt losers who can't stop crying for a living wage in America are now upset that China is rich
PPP takes into account buying power which takes into account cost of goods and services. Stupid Chink
Buying power and cost of living are two different indexes stupid mutt, the buying power can remain at a certain value completely independant of the Cost of living.
COST OF LIVING IS THE PRICE OF GOODS AND SERVICES, now if you want to put PP into the mix you can, but that would be a whole different index.
Lol Chink seethe is unreal. Buying power takes into account the cost of goods and services.
China is a poor shithole
>Buying power
ahuh and how does the GDP PPP take cost of living into account exactly when it's simply real GDP / population Mr Stiglitz, please enlightem me?
ahuh and why are you intentionally mixing up gdp ppp and gdp per capita Mr Wang, please enlighten me ?
lol purchasing power parity is GDP per capita adjusted for consumer costs in USD. Not all so different.
>It's ok that China is a shithole because it has a lot of people
Sounds like China needs to be split up then.
ok, but someone would always try to unite it. That's just how it works. Didn't it split up in the warlord ear during the 20s?
Kill the guy trying to unite it. Apparently China is better split according to Chinks.
Maybe Britain should carve it up again
Taiwan is wealthy because it didn't fall for the communism meme
China is poor because it did
>Taiwan is wealthy because it didn't fall for the communism meme. China is poor because it did.
If that's what not falling for the commie meme looks like, idk what to say anon. I guess call me comrade.
The most popular show in China is hosted by a chud
China is a third world shithole that killed 10s of millions of its own people. You coping about gays won't change that.
>The most popular show in China is hosted by a chud
The most popular show is the New Year Gala, which is in fact NOT hosted by a trannie, idk where u get your half baked 4chan tier info from but could you at leas provide the name of the show you're talking about? If you're talking about dramas I think Eternal Love would be the most popular one, which is like as straight as it gets.
Lol Chink cope
lol he did get you go tho
Where's he going?
To the pentagon probably. It's time for the morning report.
My report sir,
Chinks seething
That is all.
>Getting aids
This isn't a thread about Russia
we didn't need a continuation for this thread.
Most of your questions were answered, and you're a fucking retard earning 50k a month living like a literal monk in the middle of bumfuck nowhere in order to save a ridiculous amount of money. this is no way to live out an expatriation, you should've stayed at home.
Taiwan threads are rare and nice when they happen because people bring up a lot of nice info but you shouldn't have to force them.
this everyone please use herbs for this stupid ass thread we already covered everything in the last thread
>you're a fucking retard earning 50k a month living like a literal monk in the middle of bumfuck nowhere in order to save a ridiculous amount of money
I have always been able to live on a small budget. Going to invest my money and hopefully make it out decently wealthy. Not everyone needs a lot of material goods to be happy. My own place, nice friends and a job I enjoy is all I need in life. I have spend my life in America poor so will use this opportunity. A few more years of penny pinching to come out wealthy seem like a good deal to me.
>to come out wealthy
you will NEVER EVER be able to own land in America.
>He thinks I'm going back to America
Nah, that's a money sink of a country. Maybe if the housing market crashes again I might
>muh trad muh conservative muh muh
Cope Yank chud. Beijing has smog, and?
>Cope Yank chud. Beijing has smog, and?
>Posts photoshopped /pol meme outside /pol
>Gaatcha
do mutts really?
Is this photoshop too, bugman?
yep, also you can't call others bugman you protoplasmic slime, this is a taiwan thread ffs. Now pipe down and stop wanking to your Chinese reconstruction area pics.
No need to chink out, mate. Just messing with the wumao stinking up the thread
Between my country having gay marriage or being a third world authoritarian shithole that kills 60 million of its own people on top of being the most polluted country on earth and cuck laws like 1 child policy. Hmmm I don't know.
>60 million
says fucking who? your arsehole?
>being the most polluted country on earth
New Dehli says hi
>cuck laws like 1 child policy
Not a thing for literal ages at this pointYou've been exposed globohomo gay. You mind having someone keeping corpos in check so that they teach your kids CRT and fucking gay sex in kindergarten, good fucking luck.
>Chink compares a single city to a country
Kek
As if the rest of India is any better
China and India are far more similar than China is to Taiwan
I LOVE CHINESE PEOPLE
I LOVE AMERICANS
I LOVE THIS PLANET
It's not hard to be happy bros. Happy Friday!!!!!
>WHV will open up in two days.
Sauce?
Looks like "his ass". I just did a search on the English-language Taiwanese news sites and there's been nothing new in the last month related to WHVs.
六四屠杀
新疆冲突
藏族
三年大饥荒
>https://visaguide.world/asia/taiwan-visa/working-holiday/
>You are not allowed to enroll in full-time formal courses in any Taiwanese educational institution. You are only allowed to enroll in Chinese language courses, and even then, the study period must not be longer than 3 months.
>You cannot apply to turn the Working Holiday Visa into another type of Taiwan visa.
I don't understand why you're hyping this opportunity up so much, unless you really do mean it's for someone with nothing else going on in their lives. If it was for a duration more than 3 months, say 1 year, that'd be cool, but it's not. Am I not understanding your post?
WHVs are a 6 month deal renewable once, i.e a full year. You can basically do whatever the fuck you want as long as you do not enroll in a university, which is reasonable since you'd need a student visa. If you really want to learn Chinese, take the mandarin learning visa. You even get a scholarship and have the right to work. You can also take part time lessons.
>unless you really do mean it's for someone with nothing else going on in their lives.
Taiwan has a booming industry in certain sectors, that actually pay pretty well compared to its cost of life. It has a lovely weather all year around, the people are ridiculously nice, little to no crime/violence, the food is great and you're right in the center of SEA and EA, meaning Japan, Korea, PH, Thailand, are now cheap destinations you can easily visit. And you can actually WORK, meaning that you won't be at a loss after your stay. There are other WHV destinations (such as Japan, Australia, NZ, etc.) and they all are a a once in a lifetime occasion for you to discover a new world with new people and a completely different culture before your thirties. If that is something you believe is not worth doing unless you have "nothing else going on in your life", you either are an astronaut or you're so deep in the rat race you can't consider any other lifestyle.
Even if you're career focused, depending on certain countries (it's possible in Taiwan or Canada but in Japan not so much, for example), you can actually use a WHV to get an edge when it comes to getting recruited abroad. Then once your visa expires, as they now trust that you're not a complete retard and that you became an actual part of the team, getting a work visa will be significantly easier. I know many people who got a job that way btw.
I'm a swe in the US and I can not work abroad, not even nationally. I've been trying to find another job which allows it, but finding another job has proven to be difficult and a job offer only presents itself once/bi-annually. Do you know if there is any demand for foreign programmers who can't speak Mandarin in Taiwan? I have been (lazily) learning Mandarin for almost 1 year now.
I feel an imminent struggle with a chronic disease I have, so I could just apply for a WHV for next year and quit my job, I have enough saved to sustain myself for 5 years in the west. Seems like something a loser would do though. I know losers who've spent so much time traveling and have nothing to show for it, they leech off of mentally ill, wealthy yacht owners and think they're free, flying to different countries just to sleep on peoples couches. Can't build anything meaningful by doing that in my opinion. However, I've only build one or two somewhat meaningful relationship in the past 3 years
Yes, lots of programmer jobs no mand necessary
if you have a good job just stay in the USA, I worked in Taiwan for 5 years and I knew "tech" people working at the intel building in nangang who made basically what an English teacher makes. Most people there won't make much money unless they are working at a multinational in their own country that sends them there or are at the absolute top of their field. They can hire locals for very cheap for most things so there is not really any opportunity for foreigners.
inb4 some retard says his top of the field engineer or architect friend works there or someshit like that.
Also realize most people lie about their positions and how much they make. The tech people I knew lied through their teeth about it and only told me after we got to know each other more.
also can all you gays stop arguing in here thx and OP is a gay for making this thread again so I will use the S herbs
Ironically, most expats that do not come from a TEFL background or that didn't come from the MNC system are actually top of their fields, PhDs or 5 to 10+ experience. Why ? Because anywhere else in the world expatriation is something that has been prepared early on. Not everyone is American, earning 500k a year as a software engineer. The good news is that the rest of the world actually gains something when they go to other countries. Also, in those fields, "top of your field" usually just means working in some not-so-bad companies for more than 5 years. You want good wages, go to Singapore and do finance.
>Do you know if there is any demand for foreign programmers who can't speak Mandarin in Taiwan?
Yes. But unless you work at an MNC, you may earn less. But they have relatively free healthcare, and life is overall cheap there.
> they leech off of mentally ill, wealthy yacht owners and think they're free, flying to different countries just to sleep on peoples couches.
Not everyone does that, and who cares ? they're getting good company. Nobody was harmed. Also, this isn't what most WHV do. Usually they're working part time at some bar or restaurant, spending the rest of the week visiting the country, meeting people, sometimes forming lasting relationships and bonds with folks from all over the globe. Some, especially in NZ, just work odd jobs at farms in the countryside and enjoy the beautiful landscapes and hiking trails there.
>Seems like something a loser would do though
Once you die nobody will care about you being a "loser" or not, except if you believe in God, in which case all he really asks of you is to use that time to do some good deeds and go to church more often. And if you don't, humans tend to enjoy being able to do whatever they want and explore and discover various notions, jobs, places and opportunities.
>Do you know if there is any demand for foreign programmers who can't speak Mandarin in Taiwan?
There's some. I wouldn't call it "demand", more like "yeah they're willing to hire you if you're going to be earning about the same as a local would anyway." Which isn't much. Software is not a respected thing in Taiwan. Electrical engineers? Sure, Taiwan is all about chips. Software? Hah, a monkey could write code.
I've looked around a little at software jobs, and they're earning less (in nominal terms where $1 is $1, not even inflation-adjusted where you look at how much less $1 buys today than it did in 1987) than I was when I graduated with a bachelor's in CS thirty-five years ago.
>Taiwan thread
>五毛/小粉红 seethe uncontrollably
kek
>you can apply for a chinese language visa program where you actually get PAID for attending classes
source? Wanna go to Taiwan after uni, getting paid to be a student sounds ideal
Honestly, I don't have a link on hand, sorry. Just google it. Don't take my word for it but I think Japan also has something similar ? I'm not sure though. I am certain about taiwan however. Any combination of the words visa, taiwan, scholarship, learning chinese/mandarin should work I guess ? Worst case, call your local "embassy".
Keep in mind however that the scholarship may come with strings attached, e.g no work and obligatory attendance.
Thanks anon. I'm dumb so I didn't realise what you were referring to was a scholarship until after I submitted my original reply lol
Found one that looks bretty gud potentially
That's hot as fuck, what's your problem gay, gonan cry?
>https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/purchasingpower.asplol Chink
very funny hernandez, can't even post a proper link.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/purchasingpower.asp
I see so you can't define shit yourself and use random pages which simply suggest the cost of living can be affected by the purchasing power, which still means they're two different indexes whith different ways of calculating them. Thnx for the info anon.
Trying to get my work visa but everywhere in the US is backed up. Can I send my documents to Taiwan rather than a US embassy?
Please don't stop posting about Taiwan. I'm waiting for the right moment to quit my job and bail so I'm living vicariously through these threads at the moment.
How do the people compare to Koreans btw? I'm so put off from the Korea threads about the stuck up locals and there being fuck all to see / do that I cancelled my trip.
lmao 3 of the posts you've cited are mine
I don't know about Koreans but Taiwanese are very nice and polite. They usually match your energy if you're being a positive person, and aren't that xenophobic (but they still are) compared to the region. However they still can be huge dicks and can be weasely little fuck. My advice is to act like them when they're nice but be upfront about things when they're being dicks. don't hesitate to reformulate any kind of shitty euphemism they're saying so as to not let them save face.
Also, I've noticed there are two types of Taiwanese. your average normal person and the conservative kind with very strong opinions on a lot of things (usually your boss). I advise you not to profess strong opinions in front of the latter.
where did you sus you cheap apartment ?
Just because HDI takes income into account doesnt mean that income and HDI are the same index you utter brainlet.
It shows actual purchasing power. Your cope is unreal
China is a poor shithole
Taiwan is not
Are you going to cry when China takes over taiwan
Dumb westerner sheepke thinks China is communist and Taiwan and America are capitalist when it's actually the opposite
Wtf I'm a commie now!
the mainland seethe ITT is insane
TAIWAN NUMBA ONE
All the US embassies are backed up so my Visa will take 7 weeks REEEEE
It's a blessing in disguise, trust me.
Summer in Taipei is unbearable, Students come in after September, job offers are put on the rosters after september. You would've spent half a month alone in the blistering heat.
China is #1
Russia is #2
Usa is #4
China # last
Is the weather worse than Japan/Florida?
as bad during summer. During winter it can get rather fresh sometimes and taiwan is usually ill equipped for that.
A dehumidifier is a must have
Imagine going all the way to taiwan for $25 an hour lmfao incels are so strange
Herbs
Considering $1 is worth $2 in Taiwan that's like $50 an hour
LBH's have no choice
I will be travelling to Taiwan for 3 months in January for an observership at a hospital. How do I go about arranging accommodation?
How much should I budget for?
I budget aprox 2-2.5k in London per month.
You can live comfortably for less than half that.
Thank you for the info.
That would be convenient. My email is [email protected] if you want to talk about it.
I don't think Taiwan will be existing at that time.
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I'd suggest AirBnB even though it is ridiculously overpriced. The month-to-month furnished apartments are going to be charging through the nose no matter where you go, and at least AirBnB is easy to use.
Most landlords refuse to rent for less than one-year contracts, some require two years.
Where is the hospital? I'm leaving for the winter and wouldn't mind subletting to a non-psychopath.
Chang Gung memorial hospital, Linkou , Taiwan
How would you feel about an hour and a half commute each way?
I would suggest an Airbnb near your hospital. Book for one month, maybe book for all 3 if you like the pics, talk to the host and if Airbnb allows it. Otherwise you could ask the host when you arrive about extending or book 3 different places for a month each.
In my searches, a nice comfortable Airbnb is at least £1000 a month, probably £1400 depending on area and bedrooms.
You can find cheap ones obviously but I would not cheap out
How do they treat foreigners in Taiwan?
90% are polite and more or less indifferent.
5% will try to drag you into bed.
5% are raging assholes who hate you.
How different is Taiwanese Mandarin from standard Mandarine?
Taiwanese mandarin sounds like a gay is speaking and Standard Mandarin (from Beijing) sounds like pic related. I'm not even joking with you. You can find expat and Chinese memes saying the same thing
What is Taipei's night life like? will be visiting soon
How will you visit if it's closed?
I received a scholarship. It's also open for "long term" students seeking undergraduate or graduate degrees.
probably pretty shitty if everyone is still wearing a mask and afraid of a benign cold.
>if everyone is still wearing a mask
This is a government requirement, not something that most people want to do. If you don't wear the mask, they fine you. And unlike America the courts automatically defer to the policymakers on basically everything.
The only ruling I can think of offhand where the courts didn't say "fuck you you have no rights here" was the gay marriage thing, where three TW Supreme Court judges decided that homosexuals should be allowed to get married. THAT got crammed down everyone's throats even though no one wanted it.
>and afraid of a benign cold.
It's no worse than anywhere else. Most people are tired of the WuFlu Theater, but around a third of the population got brainwashed, and maybe ten percent are hardcore nutjobs.
Anyone been to Miaoli? What's it like?
Most boring place in Taiwan. Literally nothing there other than some strawberry farms and pretty good Hakka food. Despite being so shitty, it is still referred to as 苗栗國 for it's unusual pull over the government.
Well that is where I am moving so congrats to me.
I went there once and it was infested with massive spiders. Good luck anon.
Has anyone been to YuShan National Park? What's it like? Would appreciate some input on it and maybe on other national parks as well.
Any tips for making frens with people in their early 20s in Taipei?
Do I just go to events in the artsy/cultural areas (Shida/Gongguan/Zhongshan station area, Zhongxiao Dunhua from what I've been told) and talk to people?
>Hi I am an incel loser
>how do I make friends?
>hi i am a projecting incel ESLoser
don't have Facebook so I'm shit out of luck unfortunately
What's the expat crowd like tho? Are they chill or up their own ass like in Japan?
same as Japan from my experience there for 5 years
ah ok thanks anon
I have a burner account that I use for checking up on events but I've made a point of not adding or interacting with anyone on it for the sake of my sanity
No problem, just use that account to lurk in the groups and log out as soon as you're done, no need to send out or accept friend requests.
Sadly the Faceberg expat groups are one of the "best" ways to keep up to date in many places, even though there would be many more suitable platforms.
How hard is it nowadays to create a fake account in the imperium of the Zucc?
You can join expat facebook groups or use friend making apps since you are (I assume) western looking it shouldn't be hard
Is it true you get started at if you are white?
as in people want to fight you? No never seen it myself
No, just stare at you I mean
a little but nothing too much. maybe more in the countryside
when the chinks invade make sure they know you're an American so that they respect you. And that the CIA isn't paying you 😉
Chinks won't ever invade. They have no dick nor balls
They arent going to invade anytime soon. Mutt media fearmongering is fucking annoying. As if China is going to invade Taiwan when they got one trillion dollars in US banks. God do I hate CNN and every other gringo network. The sooner China nukes that globohomo gay country, the better
China is the heart of globalism
Cheap food