Pic related, Flint makes me feel like Martin Sheen in Apocalypse Now. Horrible place. Surprisingly nice restaurants though. What's the worst place you've ever seen in this country?
Worst place in America you've been
Pic related, Flint makes me feel like Martin Sheen in Apocalypse Now. Horrible place. Surprisingly nice restaurants though. What's the worst place you've ever seen in this country?
How was the tap water?
They put huge filters on everything to try and put people at ease
lol that is so fucking insane i want to see it for myself.
Grew up near Flint because there's lots of nice country towns in the area, adventurous types would drive on the wrong side of the hospital to look at all the abandoned houses sometimes. The energy is literally indescribable. Miles upon miles of dilapidated one floor single family homes used to sell crack, grass to your knees and overgrown vegetation, mentally ill junkies walking around talking to themselves, sometimes in sub zero temperatures. Needs to be seen to be believed.
New Orleans outside of downtown/french quarter is some Afghanistan shit
That's an insult to afghans
Afghans at least try to clean their streets once a month
I remember going there in the late 90's. The guy at the parking garage said if you are white absolutely do not cross any four lane roads that would take you out of the French Quarter. I imagine it is much worse now.
I live there so probably this or Baton Rouge. Maybe Cleveland, Ohio too, I just had a bad time there so worst imo
There are far worse places in Ohio than Cleveland.
t. Wife's from there, lives in UK now
Afghanistan is much safer.
t. Southerner
You'd be safer in Afghanistan.
t. from NOLA, went to AFG
random towns in western new york i stopped in while on the road, no wonder theres such an opioid crisis there, fucking depressing.
Oh yeah I drove to Niagara falls through Amish land in Pennsylvania and getting to New York the shittiness definitely increased in the quality of roads and the only thing in small towns that's still in business being shady looking smoke shops, definitely got the vibes that everyone does heroin here in a lot of towns I passed through different than the towns on the west coast and pnw where everyone does meth, at least they stand around outside and do weird shit there. Niagara fall was also a shithole once you get past the casino.
Lots of parts of Vegas look like you're in the post apocalyptic 3rd world too
hahaha i almost posted niagara falls. was there for a hookup, and we accidentally drove like 3 minutes off the mainstrip and were suddenly in a black ghetto with boarded up, graffitied stores. it was kind of insane.
Gary, Indiana
Camden, New Jersey
Gary, Muncie, and Anderson all looked like post-apocalyptic movie sets when I lived there
Why is this even a thread, even as a someone from England I know there is basically nothing outside New York, Miami, Los Angeles, Washington, and maybe another city or two. Everyone has known for some time once you leave these places it just turns into McDonalds, Walmarts, and gas stations.
Imagine being so brain dead that you would leave a comfy city that probably is the only bastion of history and culture for some redneck who will shoot you for a funny accent thinking you are a commie because you think healthcare is important.
You sound like someone who's never left those major cities listed except to drive on the interstates
lol septics are so insanely defensive whenever anyone utters a single word of criticism of the united states of fuckedupness
no wonder you're always shooting up your schools
He spewed some retard tier take and got called out on it and all you can do is seethe like a gay. Did your mom leave your deadbeat dad for an American?
As the richest American in this thread, I can confirm Americans are fucking morons and MUTTMERICA is doomed (unironically)
Not really there's plenty of stuff to criticize about the US, but also lots of cool shit outside of those few major cities you listed. You sound like your only experience outside of those cities is driving on major interstates and complaining about walmart and rednecks and rarely go outside of your overpriced apartment
I am an AMERICAN and i am dumb and SILLY! A MUTT!!
>be retarded foreigner
>have retarded foreign opinions
>your retarded foreign opinions are denounced as such
>cry
sage
>as a foreigner, I have retarded foreign opinions
Than you for your tremendous insight, o great Enlightened European
You have no understanding of America
It’s bait but I am still replying because I’ve met people who genuinely believe this and it fills me with intense sadness.
Imagine never experiencing the National Parks. Imagine never traveling through friendly small towns and getting invited to someone’s house for supper on the porch. Imagine never eating oysters from Tomales Bay, camping in the Catskills, going to a rodeo, because of your prejudices.
At some point you wonder why people like this even bother living, if the world is such a shitty and joyless place to them.
>You can never experience national parks if you live in the city
Ok buddy
I was replying to the guy who was saying there was nothing in ‘merica outside of cities, you illiterate gigatard
Can you name a national park that is in a city? I can't, but maybe there's one.
Hot Springs National Park.
But Hot Springs, Arkansas is small as cities go.
Central Park :^)
>as if the rural UK isn't filled with backwards xenophobes who will insult or assault you for not fitting in
Gr8 B8 there, guv
Touch grass retard, and try not to get stabbed on the way to Grug's Pub.
I'm a bong living in America but I know where to avoid if I don't want to get shot. So I haven't been anywhere particularly violent or 3rd world tier, but Seattle was extremely shitty and disappointing.
>Imagine being so brain dead that you would leave a comfy city that probably is the only bastion of history and culture
America has an unfair reputation of lacking history, but the country is like 250yo. That said, some of the conquistadores built some really cool churches etc dating back to the early 17th Century. There is older stuff if you are interested in native dwellings etc. The real draw of America is its natural beauty. Pic related, I took this in New Mexico 200 yards outside my AirBnB. You can find beautiful landscapes that range from desert to tundra all in one country, which you can't do in Bongland.
I often want to go back to the UK because of the amazing history, but seeing Red Rock Canyon outside Las Vegas at sunset and knowing nothing like it exists in the UK keeps me here.
>Seattle was extremely shitty and disappointing.
It's a shame because it was decent even 10 years ago, and beautiful 20 years ago.
>America has an unfair reputation of lacking history, but the country is like 250yo.
The US as an independent entity is almost 250 years old, but English and Dutch settlement is about 400 years old.
Western US cities are max 150ish years old. No one lived in California until 1849
Where in new mexico anon
that's beautiful
I'm a bong and I desperately want to get out of Bongland. It feels like concentrated claustrophobia mixed with deepening depression and poverty. Wish I could go to the US. There is so much space. Shitty areas can always be avoided easier than they can here in the UK.
this is very true.
PLEASE don't ever go OUTSIDE these cities. there is NOTHING to see.
Don't know whether this is satire or not
>some redneck who will shoot you for a funny accent thinking you are a commie because you think healthcare is important.
die commie
You clearly don't get it, the """"Nice"""big cities in the US are flukes. The vast majority(if not all) are really shit. You want the medium sized cities or towns. Towns are where the real US is at, and no, not all the towns are vehicle oriented. Nice 40-80k population towns still exist. Do they have big attractions? no, but they are perfect to live in and just big enough for everything you need and then access to big cities or airports.
I’m essentially larping as a bum across the US and Aberdeen Wa was so far the worst, second was Biloxi. A lot has to do with city planning. Both of these places are stretched out so far, as if they once held a greater city. If you could condense them to 1/3 the size they’d be alright. Just the decay makes them so incredible unappealing.
I’m going toward the rust belt but I know its the same but more. All these places suffer from braindrain, no one wants to fix them because the people smart enough to see the problems just move out.
Western Washington is a very sad sad place. It's no wonder Cobain ended up as fucked up as he did.
I’m from Western Washington, and I finally learned why I was so fucking sad all the time.
Besides my abusive father, it’s incredibly depressing here. The weather, the buildings, the rain that seeps into everything, the layers of moss that grow on everything including your car. People aren’t nice either.
Yep, I grew up in and Seattle and never realized how negatively the wether affected me until I visited warmer climates. Rain can be refreshing at the end of a long summer, but the rain in the pnw is relentless and it wears you down and seeps into you. The gray short rainy days for months on end really don't feel like something humans are supposed to live in.
Pic related, everyone talks about how "beautiful" and "scenic" the pnw is, and that may be true for national parks, but this what your average city looks like for at least 6 months of the year. Gray, dark, dead skeleton trees everywhere. This place should be renamed the "Evergray State"
And to top it off this place is full of coping contrarians who constantly brag about the weather
>A-actually, I think its great that its overcast for months on end! I hate the sun!
driving around chicago heading east and hearing gunshots in the distance and everyone being black and 300 lbs was the worst Ive seen
Memphis
The homeless people in Colorado Springs and Denver are super aggressive. Not making eye contact and keeping your distance is not enough.
kek do you think that undershirt was white when he first put it on?
you're retarded. im in denver. id smash any homeless gay in a heartbeat. they're all pussies
Uhhh. Thats kinda gay dude.
I've lived in Denver for 6 years and only once have I ever had a hobo ask for money or try to talk to me in any way. The police do a good job of telling the street rats not to harass taxpayers
Seattle, Portland, Olympia, Bellingham
Sad. I left Seattle twenty years ago. Back then it was a beautiful, fun city with lots to do. A couple of years later, the Democrats stole the gubernatorial election by "finding" just enough votes that had "fallen behind a copier" to hand it to the Democrap candidate (incidentally resulting in more votes being counted from King County than the number of registered voters in the entire county, so more than 100% turnout, which is quite something considering that usually turnout is only around 30% to 60% at best), and it's been downhill ever since. The friends from there I've talked to since then have confirmed that it has turned into a Democrat-run shithole. Street shitting, drug addicts everywhere, "homeless" tents, all overrunning everywhere. There was SOME of that while I was there, but it was confined to a few small areas and they got run out by the cops every few months.
Chicago
also worst places ive been to in america wer
>guam - 10% of the island is a tourist trap for japanese tourists, beautiful and fun. the rest is a hellish brown person ghetto, lots of 2/10 hookers screeching on street corners at night, giant coal power plant belching black smoke (it's just barely hidden from the main tourist area lmao)
>upstate new york - my first trip into america from canada. expected big, but not opulent cities, walmarts, etc. literal flimsy wooden shacks on the side of unmaintained roads, kind of shocking for a 14 year old. idk it creeped me out because it was just dozens of kms of this. motel was creepy af too, someone jiggled the knob at night
Damn, I used to work with this Chamorron kid who moved from Guam to Seattle with his mom and younger brother. He was a super chill metal head, but he his mom was a hardcore junkie and prostitute, so this dude was basically raising his brother on his own. He made Guam sound like absolute hell
Did you ever find out who jiggled your knob?
Lived on Guam for 3 year (dad in Air Force), Chamorrans were pretty cool. Pretty proud of their culture but were more than willing to share with you.
Lula, Mississippi
I live in Arizona, our worst ghettos are fortunately not that bad by comparison.
Los Angeles native
Skid Row still makes me cynical about the overall trajectory of the US.
I was in an elevator on my way to a sales appointment in Downtown years ago and I said to the guy next to me " man its a fucking war zone out there" and he said "oh yeah...it's TERRIBLE" with a performative voice like he was on antidepressants.
Mental health "awareness" is the biggest joke. Miles/kilometers of people fucked up on drugs and full blown schizophrenic and nobody is helping them because these "nonprofits" are raking in so much tax money.
That being said, Flint is on another level. The police department is totally overwhelmed and Soros is pumping money into all this Defund The Police rhetoric. Fucking tragic.
>eat ramen at quiet restaurant in little tokyo
>walk one block over
>see homeless lady with shit coated pants screaming heil hitler on skid row
the entirety of south carolina
True as fuck
Portland is a literal third world slum at this point. Always thought it was some fox news meme but after moving to the area last year it's even worse than they portray it.
Baltimore outskirts are The Wire, city center pretty nice though.
The entire PNW is like that. As far as Im concerned they need to just go full Escape From New York and wall off that entire region. Its owned by the homeless and its basically unsalvageable
Nah, I lived in Seattle before I was in the Portland metro. Yeah, Seattle is bad and getting worse but it doesn't come close to how bad Portland is. Flying into PDX you literally go over two miles of homeless camps/broken RVs along the riverfront road
>its basically unsalvageable
It would be easy to salvage it. Just gas all of the "homeless". Dump the bodies into the ocean and let the corpses drift out to sea. Crabs and shrimp will make good use of them.
Lmao this is such a stupid gay 4chan meme. The Pacific Northwest is beautiful. Portland and Seattle are beautiful outside of a couple 1/2 block homeless camps.
i was up there a year after the riots and it looked like absolute garbage, never recovered from what it looked like 5 years ago
have any of you guys actually lived in detroit or traverse city?
I have lived in the Detroit area and been to Traverse City
Could not be more opposite.
Newark, NJ
Downtown and Ironbound aren't that bad though. Once you get up to East Orange it's over
My brother was giving me a lift from Nevada to LA to get a flight home. We stopped at some rest stop that had a Panda Express, Macca's, etc.
It was the most disgusting place. It smelt bad, it was dingy as fuck and it was full of mutts.
That was probably the worst place I've ever been to.
I've always believed if you have a bad time somewhere, it's almost always your fault.
I use to travel all over the country for work, and I always managed to find stuff to like about every place I went to. Sometimes it was some unique scenery, or just a special place to wander around and people watch, but I'm a lousy drunk and get lonely easy, so my standard procedure was to find some dingy little dive bar full of colorful characters where I could make amazing memories and then forget them all later that night.
I hated, hated, hated Los Angeles the first time I went due to the circumstances of my work, but I went another time for vacation and loved the place.
The one city that I don't think has any room for redemption in my heart, though, is Topeka. The land is brown and ugly, and the air is rusty and flat. I always managed to meet people and have a laugh and a good time with some random drunks anywhere else I went, but not in Topeka. Everyone was sad and just seemed...trapped. I would give it a second chance, but man, just being there for a week brought me down a few notches.
St Louis is the worst city I've been. It's a total fucking dump, violent, yet the locals are super proud of being from st louis and have this fake midwestern pious 'holier than thou' attitude. Fuck st louis
Lived in Barstow, Ca. for awhile. Just a bunch of broke ghetto southern californians with nothing to lose but their meth pipe and shopping carts
At least you guys have the most amazing Del Tacos in the nation. And some great desert camping and BLM shooting areas.
No one actually lives in Barstow. It's a hellish 115 degree dirt town that exists solely as a pit stop for people driving LA to Vegas
>No one lives in Barstow.
Living is subjective true, but people reside there.
I've been to a lot of shitty areas in the rust belt and I love them. Worst place for me was probably times square or Disney.
Hawaii, entirely due to the population
does Puerto Rico count?
Billings, Montana. Rolled through there on a roadtrip, stayed overnight. Sirens running within earshot on average twice an hour the hole time, 40% of the people on the street were clearly not sober, cops jaded and tired. Like, i hate LA because it's not my style, but Billings in just objectively shit
sighsee told me the USA was the country with most freedom and superior to all third world shitholes though. More freedoms etc.
>Literally 00001.% of US land area
>Having much of an effect on the overall quality of the country
Look, the US has problems, but I genuinely enjoy my life in a small historic town in the Southeast. Billing is just the worst place I know. There's always got to be an ugliest supermodel and a slowest race car.
It is, that is why people keep moving here and making it worse.
Probably downtown Chicago. There were literally huts made out of garbage.
when i went to the loop area i thought it was beautiful, but i wound up on the pink line headed west and my train was filled with a bunch of blacks who were either on drugs or were genuinely schizophrenic. walking around even the north end of the city, half of the fucking people were homeless blacks
The two times I have been closest to being jumped was in Toledo. Some one I met while in Detroit got mugged on the people mover. Baltimore felt unsafe but I was there for an event. The worst is probably San Diego about 10 blocks from the convention center. So many crazy homeless just living in the streets and then rich yuppies letting their dogs piss and shit everywhere.
I intentionally avoid subjecting myself to shitholes.
That said, I've been in some of the shitty parts of Chicago and the surrounding suburbs, and they really are shitholes.
For bad places I've sighseeeled to, I'd have to say the worst was Koh Chang ("Elephant Island") in Thailand, which I went to because sighsee told me how great it was.
The first night I was there, a rat chewed through my backpack. I ended up spending literally the whole night awake and throwing things at it to try to get it to leave. I ended up moving to another place, a dive lodge, as soon as the sun came up and I could check out and look around for someplace halfway decent. The dive lodge was all poured-concrete walls, so the rats ran around on the roof and fought each other up there instead of running through the rooms.
Contrary to what sighsee told me to expect -- pristine waters in an environmental reserve -- the reserve was being illegally logged to death, and the ocean was full of floating sewage from the resorts.
Anyway, I was glad to get the fuck gone from there and go back to Bangkok, which even though it stinks and is an urban hellhole, at least is as advertised.
Generally Florida. Fuck that state and everything about it.
Specifically New Haven. The only thing that town has going for it is pizza. Other than that it has a lot of crime and decay. Generally worthless town with nothing to do.
Jupiter area is gorgeous and has more beautiful women per capita than anywhere in America
Florida is a dichotomy. It's got some of the nicest and most vibrant areas, but then some of the worst that is on par with some 3rd world countries.
I liked florida, I went to perdido key though.
I love Ohio, but worst and most depressing place I've seen here is Youngstown. Place looked at least 40 years left behind. Old factories, drunk people everywhere, broken roads and broken looking people.
Wheeling is close. Only place I felt physically unsafe. The most junkies doing that shit way out in the open is in Portland. Such a shame because the area around Portland is beautiful.
I've been to Youngstown. It is super depressing. That is a great way to say it.
I grew up in metro Detroit. Detroit is by far the shittiest place I've ever been. I've been to 38 states and plenty of other big cities. Granted I'm more familiar with the city since I grew up here; but there are parts even the cops don't go anymore. They get calls and go 'oh its in that block' and never show up. Flint is depressing; but at least its small compared to Detroit. At this point they should lease most of the city out to the military to use as urban warfare training.
any 3rd rate American city is pretty Much shit. . cities like Denver Cincinnati Indianapolis Any city like that is just shit.
if you wanna be part of modern civilization. You might as well just go to World class city like Miami. Los angeles, Chicago , dallas
Bad call, very awful call. LA is shit, Cincy and especially Indy is underrated and Midwest comfy. Denver while not great is better alone than some of the places you mentioned. I can tell you must be a coasty.
I spent a year in Indianapolis on business. There were a few areas I found cool, but other than that it felt like there wasn't much to do there...what am I missing?
>t. flyover retard
No one with two brain cells to rub together would call any of those hollowed out shitholes "underrated."
Indianapolis sucks dick but I would die on the hill of Cincinnati being a cool city
This post was typed by European twink hands
Jacksonville, FL - by a long shot
I lived there for a year and can confirm that your assessment is accurate
Cincinnati, or the outskirts of Phoenix. Looked like something straight out of GTA V with all the trailer homes and trash strewn everywhere.
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Niagara is a total tourist trap and shithole when youre off the main couple streets. Homeless dude there was cool though... Name was Ben. Gave me a buffalo bus schedule and a spot to watch the nightly fireworks
How do I get a green card if I'm on an esta in the United States? I know it's illegal if to intend to adjust status while on an esta but how would I aquire a greencard otherwise? I'm going to visit my American Auntie and uncles soon and I want to live there with them permenantly but since I'm not a direct relative I don't know how I'd be able to. If my Mother became a citizen first would that help?
>How do I get legal residence illegally?
Do you realize how retarded you're sounding right now?
I've been all over the US aside from the extreme northeast beyond Connecticut. Here's some shitholes:
>Baltimore
Essentially every part of the city othe than a tiny portion of the central downtown area where rhe aquarium is at is a run down hovel. Was very sad to visit Edgar Allen Poes house and see it completely surrounded by boarded up crackhouses.
>Gary, IN
Entire place looks like it's covered in motor oil
>Chicago
Well known for being a literal warzone
>Portland
Full of junkies, antifa trannies, homeless
>Seattle
Practically the same as Portland, just bigger. Can't walk anywhere downtown without being accosted by homeless.
>Denver
Last time I was there the entire lawn in front of the state capital was covered in homeless tents
>Colorado Springs
Has some nice areas but the south and east side are completely overran with homeless, maybe the most of any city I've ever been to. Literally every corner has a bum and they do shift changes and hand off signs to the next bum to keep a 24/7 presence.
>Bridgeport, CT
High crime rate, overran with druggies, run down
>Guam
Another anon mentioned this and I concur. Walk down the main street of Tumon and you will see 1. Shooting range 2. Cowboy clothing store 3. Massage parlor... about five times in a row. A sickening appeasement for jap tourist who want to shoot guns and wear cowboy boots like Merricans.
>Memphis, TN
Astoundingly high murder rate. Everything is trashed and run down. Has some good BBQ thou.
>Pearl City, HI
They may have cleaned it up since i lived here yeara ago but there was a park that was completely filled with homeless tents from end to end.
>Los Angeles
Mostly hated it for the over crowding. Attempted to go to the beach (Huntington) and I couldn't even find one square meter of sand that didn't have some fat lardass already sitting on it.
>St. Louis
Another well known shithole. Basically everywhere outside of the archway is a run down dangerous hellhole.
What are some of the best places in the US you’ve been to, anon?
I need to get out of the gray shithole that is Seattle.
Here's some good places:
>Tampa
I'm originally from Florida so I'm hugely biased. It's a huge city and has some shitty areas as all big cities do but I think nearby Clearwater is a better beach than Hawaii and St. Pete is immensely comfy.
>Sarasota
Just south of Tampa. Same area but on a slightly smaller scale, thus less crime. Very comfy.
>Key West
Maybe the most comfy area in all of the US. Peak cute tropical town.
>Pensacola/Destin
Has some rough spots but the downtown reminds me of a smaller and less run down New Orleans. Great if you want a chill, old world vibe, plus all of the beaches along the coast from Pcola to Destin are top tier.
>Nashville
Again, has some rough spots but much of the city and surrounding area is surprisingly nice. I thought it would be filled with hillbilly bumpkins trying to become country stars but those are contained to the downtown, rest of city is filled with harmless hipsters. Opry Mills Opryland Resort is my favorite hotel in the the world, with a massive indoor tropical garden.
>Gatlinburg. TN
Super laid back mountain town, makes you feel like your in another, better time.
>Colorado Springs
Despite it also having some shitty parts, there are some great parts. Cheyenne Mountain, Pikes Peak, Garden of the Gods, Manitou Springs. Basically everything outside the city itself. Great for winter sports.
>Austin, TX
I know this place is basically Portland 2.0 but i enjoyed myself last time I was here, just seemed like a lot of fun stuff to do. Plenty of interesting museums and attractions in nearby Dallas and San Antonio too.
>Honolulu
Gorgeous tropical mountains, chill beaches, tons of water activities like snorkeling and surfing. Lives up to its reputation as a paradise, but only spend a week or two here, else you'll get bored.
>San Juan, Puerto Rico
PR is a poor man's Hawaii but im a sucker for cities that have an old world vibe. Feels like a European city (as in, tiny cramped roads) but in a tropical setting.
In regards to cities in Colorado, I tell people the same thing about Oregon/Washington: if you're going to these places for the cities, you're making a mistake. The cities are happenstance. The real appeal is the proximity to badass pieces of nature that never lose their zeal. Denver, for example, is crap. I say this as someone who lived there for four years then returned to visit after a decade. The migration of you-know-whos from you-know-where really fucked the place up with their weapons-grade gayry. Thankfully, the mountains are literally RIGHT. THERE.
Trona, California. Weird mining town in the desert. It looks deserted at first, like a ghost town, but people actually live there.
Stockton, CA
Just incredibly ghetto and crime-ridden. Even the well-to-do places felt off, like some sort of Pleasantville/Stepford Wives shit.
I was on MARTA today in Atlanta, saw a dude pull out a box cutter from his work apron because some random guy asked him a question
Barstow, CA
Atlantic City is probably the worse place I've been to. I've been to New Orleans but never left the French Quarter so I'm not counting that.
t. bong
Midland, Texas. Picrel is rent prices, and keep in mind this place is four hours from El Paso, four from Dallas, five from Austin, and two from Lubbock. You're trapped there.
If you want to piss off the locals, call it Midessa since it's right next to Odessa which has one of the highest rates of violent crime in Texas. Makes sense when you've been there since there's nothing to do in that entire Permian Basin area except get scalded with oil in 110F weather, do enough meth to be able to pull your teeth out with your fingers, or die in a car wreck from some of the WORST driving I've ever seen in my life, and I've been to Austin, Dallas, and LA.
Funny that OP starts with Flint, because Midessa also has near undrinkable tap water due to excess sediment, and showering with it dries your skin out quickly. Also rots your teeth since you're rubbing sediment on them twice a day. Apparently it's been like that for 20+ years so I guess the city just doesn't fucking care.
The locals seem to take pride in not being as bad as Odessa. Kinda like Cincinnati being proud of not being Detroit. Difference is you legit can barely tell the two cities apart since they're both dusty, run down, and propped up with $500K+ particle board McMansions because "DA OIL FIELD IS BIG MONEY" until it runs dry and they struggle for five years to pay the mansion or their $2K/mo rent.
>tl;dr
a drug-fueled oil rig town with San Francisco levels of ego and sediment-ridden tap water that I hope becomes the next site for nuclear weapons testing
Albany.
10% chill new England suburbs
10% upscale capital and business intrersection
80% ghetto hell
Felt like I was in the Sopranos